New thread - gathering facts re Marple supermarket

[NeilCorrie]

Added : Andrew Hubert contact details, leaflet campaign details, example letter, council obligations, improved formatting.  Anyone feel free to edit further as needed.

Overview

• Cheadle+Marple college (CAMSFC) are investigating the sale of their Hibbert Lane campus. See CAMSFC Estates Committee minutes 17th June 2010, point 12.
• Councillor Sue Ingham (Chair of Marple Area Committee) confirmed on Monday 18th July that the college do intend to sell the site, that the land is designated for residential use only and that the councillors have requested a meeting with the college.
• Tesco have a record of buying land prior to getting planning permission and leaving it vacant/abandoned until local authority eventually relinquishes, see Prestatyn situation and associated Facebook campaign page.
• Paul Lawrence, Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council confirmed during w/c Monday 18th July that the college want to raise £10-£12m by selling the Hibbert Lane campus.
• An initial meeting of concerned business owners and residents was held on Friday 22nd July.
• 2 Freedom of Information (FOI) requests have been submitted to the college
  • covenants on the land 25th July 2011 : answered, see details here
  • planning correspondence 25th July 2011 : not answered due to commercial sensitivity.

• 3 FOI requests have been submitted to Stockport council
  • meetings between CAMSFC and Stockport Council
  • planning correspondence
  • convenants on the land.

• 1 FOI request has been submitted to Tesco
  • planning correspondence and the change in land usage from residential to commercial.

• Forum member Miss Marple has scheduled a meeting with CAMSFC management and local press w/c Monday 25th July. More info tba.
• Area Committe meeting at Marple Library, Memorial Park, Marple on Wednesday 27th July 6pm.  Open meeting, so public can (and are encouraged to) attend. MP and councillors will be available to respond to questions.  See earlier posting regarding format of meeting and use of question cards.
• CAMSFC management are doing a press release w/c Monday 25th July.
• Marple Business forum are meeting on tba to discuss.
• As of Tuesday 26th July, 2,500 leaflets outlining the proposed development and associated implications have been distributed.
• An example objection letter/email suitable for editing and distributing to councillors has been posted on the Marple forum.
• Stockport Council have obligations (via the covenant) to
  
  • use parts of the Hibbert Lane site for purposes of providing adult education
  • provide a leisure centre on the site
  • provide a youth club on the site.

Contact details

• Local councillor acting as governor on the college board is Margaret McLay, email address cllr.margaret.mclay@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 449 9598.
• Local MP is Andrew Stunell, email address enquiries@andrewstunell.org.uk, phone number 0161 406 7070.
• CAMSFC contact for queries is Andrew Hubert, email address andrew.hubert@camsfc.ac.uk, phone number 0161 484 6602.
• CAMSFC principal is Christina Cassidy, email address info@camsfc.ac.uk, phone number 0161 484 6602.
• Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council is Paul Lawrence, email address paul.lawrence@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 474 4949

[Catwoman]

Sounds like a good plan to me ...

[Duke Fame]

THis is a good thread. Whilst there has been some good fact-finding going on, there will be a stage of saturation. It's good that only Neil obtains the FOI info and others approach the various officers but we should ensure we only have one person asking the questions otherwide the various officers are going to be inundated with requests and we will not obtain much more han a staock answer.

Can I suggest that after the meeting tomorrow, there is a further meetign to co-ordinate who is to approach which office i.e. person a approaches the council, person b approaches the college, person c speaks to Andrew Stunell, Tesco  etc,. There will be a danger that people we would natuarally have onside end up getting peeved off with the whole thing.

[NeilCorrie]

Response to two FOIs, links highlighted in red.

• Cheadle+Marple college (CAMSFC) are investigating the sale of their Hibbert Lane campus. See CAMSFC Estates Committee minutes 17th June 2010, point 12.
• Councillor Sue Ingham (Chair of Marple Area Committee) confirmed on Monday 18th July that the college do intend to sell the site, that the land is designated for residential use only and that the councillors have requested a meeting with the college.
• Tesco have a record of buying land prior to getting planning permission and leaving it vacant/abandoned until local authority eventually relinquishes, see Prestatyn situation and associated Facebook campaign page.
• Paul Lawrence, Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council confirmed during w/c Monday 18th July that the college want to raise £10-£12m by selling the Hibbert Lane campus.
• An initial meeting of concerned business owners and residents was held on Friday 22nd July.
• 2 Freedom of Information (FOI) requests have been submitted to the college, one concerning covenants on the land 25th July 2011 : answered, see details here, and one concerning planning correspondence 25th July 2011 : not answered due to commercial sensitivity.
• 3 FOI requests have been submitted to Stockport council, one concerning meetings between CAMSFC and Stockport Council, one concerning planning correspondence and one concerning convenants on the land.
• 1 FOI request has been submitted to Tesco concerning planning correspondence and the change in land usage from residential to commercial.
• Forum member Miss Marple has scheduled a meeting with CAMSFC management and local press w/c Monday 25th July. More info tba.
• Area Committe meeting at Marple Library, Memorial Park, Marple on Wednesday 27th July 6pm.  Open meeting, so public can (and are encouraged to) attend. MP and councillors will be available to respond to questions.  See earlier posting regarding format of meeting and use of question cards.
• CAMSFC management are doing a press release w/c Monday 25th July.
• Marple Business forum are meeting on tba to discuss.

Contact details

• Local councillor acting as governor on the college board is Margaret McLay, email address cllr.margaret.mclay@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 449 9598.
• Local MP is Andrew Stunell, email address enquiries@andrewstunell.org.uk, phone number 0161 406 7070.
• CAMSFC contact for queries is Andrew Hubert, email address tba, phone number tba.
• CAMSFC principal is Christina Cassidy, email address info@camsfc.ac.uk, phone number 0161 484 6602.
• Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council is Paul Lawrence, email address paul.lawrence@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 474 4949
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[NeilCorrie]

AC meeting back in the library again, and link to agenda added.

• Cheadle+Marple college (CAMSFC) are investigating the sale of their Hibbert Lane campus. See CAMSFC Estates Committee minutes 17th June 2010, point 12.
• Councillor Sue Ingham (Chair of Marple Area Committee) confirmed on Monday 18th July that the college do intend to sell the site, that the land is designated for residential use only and that the councillors have requested a meeting with the college.
• Tesco have a record of buying land prior to getting planning permission and leaving it vacant/abandoned until local authority eventually relinquishes, see Prestatyn situation and associated Facebook campaign page.
• Paul Lawrence, Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council confirmed during w/c Monday 18th July that the college want to raise £10-£12m by selling the Hibbert Lane campus.
• An initial meeting of concerned business owners and residents was held on Friday 22nd July.
• 2 Freedom of Information (FOI) requests have been submitted to the college, one concerning covenants on the land, and one concerning planning correspondence.
• 3 FOI requests have been submitted to Stockport council, one concerning meetings between CAMSFC and Stockport Council, one concerning planning correspondence and one concerning convenants on the land.
• 1 FOI request has been submitted to Tesco concerning planning correspondence and the change in land usage from residential to commercial.
• Forum member Miss Marple has scheduled a meeting with CAMSFC management and local press w/c Monday 25th July. More info tba.
• Area Committe meeting at Marple Library, Memorial Park, Marple on Wednesday 27th July 6pm.  Open meeting, so public can (and are encouraged to) attend. MP and councillors will be available to respond to questions.  See earlier posting regarding format of meeting and use of question cards.
• CAMSFC management are doing a press release w/c Monday 25th July.
• Marple Business forum are meeting on tba to discuss.

Contact details

• Local councillor acting as governor on the college board is Margaret McLay, email address cllr.margaret.mclay@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 449 9598.
• Local MP is Andrew Stunell, email address enquiries@andrewstunell.org.uk, phone number 0161 406 7070.
• CAMSFC contact for queries is Andrew Hubert, email address tba, phone number tba.
• CAMSFC principal is Christina Cassidy, email address info@camsfc.ac.uk, phone number 0161 484 6602.
• Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council is Paul Lawrence, email address paul.lawrence@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 474 4949
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[admin]

For those attending the Marple Area Committee Meeting at Marple Library on Wednesday 27th July, here is a link to the agenda documents:

http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?MId=324

I understand that the topic of the College site is to be taken under item 4c - Public Question Time

4.(c) Public Question Time
Members of the public are invited to put questions to the Chair of the Area Committee on any matters within the powers and duties of the Area Committee, subject to the exclusions set out in the Code of Practice (questions must be submitted prior to the commencement of the meeting on the cards provided. These are available at the meeting and on the Council’s website at (link doesn't work).

In view of this requirement it would be of benefit to go well prepared with questions to put on the cards prior to the meeting. Even better perhaps to fill the cards out before hand but the link that says these are available on-line doesn't work, so maybe it would help to contact Officer: Steve Fox 0161 474 3206 email: stephen.fox@stockport.gov.uk to get a supply. Also check out if there are limits to how many questions individuals can ask.

[Belle Star]

Sorry to put another spanner in the works so to speak, but have just had clarification from Cllr Ingham on the location of Wednesday's meeting:-

Dear Belle
The meeting is held in Marple Library starting at 6pm.

Kindest regards
Susan Ingham
Chair of Marple Area Committee

[NeilCorrie]

Oops.  AC meeting location updated !

• Cheadle+Marple college (CAMSFC) are investigating the sale of their Hibbert Lane campus. See CAMSFC Estates Committee minutes 17th June 2010, point 12.
• Councillor Sue Ingham (Chair of Marple Area Committee) confirmed on Monday 18th July that the college do intend to sell the site, that the land is designated for residential use only and that the councillors have requested a meeting with the college.
• Tesco have a record of buying land prior to getting planning permission and leaving it vacant/abandoned until local authority eventually relinquishes, see Prestatyn situation and associated Facebook campaign page.
• Paul Lawrence, Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council confirmed during w/c Monday 18th July that the college want to raise £10-£12m by selling the Hibbert Lane campus.
• An initial meeting of concerned business owners and residents was held on Friday 22nd July.
• 2 Freedom of Information (FOI) requests have been submitted to the college, one concerning covenants on the land, and one concerning planning correspondence.
• 3 FOI requests have been submitted to Stockport council, one concerning meetings between CAMSFC and Stockport Council, one concerning planning correspondence and one concerning convenants on the land.
• 1 FOI request has been submitted to Tesco concerning planning correspondence and the change in land usage from residential to commercial.
• Forum member Miss Marple has scheduled a meeting with CAMSFC management and local press w/c Monday 25th July. More info tba.
• Area Committe meeting at Marple Senior Citizens Hall, Memorial Park, Marple on Wednesday 27th July 6pm.  Open meeting, so public can (and are encouraged to) attend. MP and councillors will be available to respond to questions.
• CAMSFC management are doing a press release w/c Monday 25th July.
• Marple Business forum are meeting on tba to discuss.

Contact details

• Local councillor acting as governor on the college board is Margaret McLay, email address cllr.margaret.mclay@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 449 9598.
• Local MP is Andrew Stunell, email address enquiries@andrewstunell.org.uk, phone number 0161 406 7070.
• CAMSFC contact for queries is Andrew Hubert, email address tba, phone number tba.
• CAMSFC principal is Christina Cassidy, email address info@camsfc.ac.uk, phone number 0161 484 6602.
• Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council is Paul Lawrence, email address paul.lawrence@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 474 4949
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[admin]

I understand that the Marple Area Committee Meetings are now in the Senior Citizens Hall. Better check this or everyone will go to the wrong place on 27th! http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=207.0

[NeilCorrie]

26th updated to be 27th.

• Cheadle+Marple college (CAMSFC) are investigating the sale of their Hibbert Lane campus. See CAMSFC Estates Committee minutes 17th June 2010, point 12.
• Councillor Sue Ingham (Chair of Marple Area Committee) confirmed on Monday 18th July that the college do intend to sell the site, that the land is designated for residential use only and that the councillors have requested a meeting with the college.
• Tesco have a record of buying land prior to getting planning permission and leaving it vacant/abandoned until local authority eventually relinquishes, see Prestatyn situation and associated Facebook campaign page.
• Paul Lawrence, Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council confirmed during w/c Monday 18th July that the college want to raise £10-£12m by selling the Hibbert Lane campus.
• An initial meeting of concerned business owners and residents was held on Friday 22nd July.
• 2 Freedom of Information (FOI) requests have been submitted to the college, one concerning covenants on the land, and one concerning planning correspondence.
• 3 FOI requests have been submitted to Stockport council, one concerning meetings between CAMSFC and Stockport Council, one concerning planning correspondence and one concerning convenants on the land.
• 1 FOI request has been submitted to Tesco concerning planning correspondence and the change in land usage from residential to commercial.
• Forum member Miss Marple has scheduled a meeting with CAMSFC management and local press w/c Monday 25th July. More info tba.
• Area Committe meeting at Marple Library, Wednesday 27th July 6pm.  Open meeting, so public can (and are encouraged to) attend. MP and councillors will be available to respond to questions.
• CAMSFC management are doing a press release w/c Monday 25th July.
• Marple Business forum are meeting on tba to discuss.

Contact details

• Local councillor acting as governor on the college board is Margaret McLay, email address cllr.margaret.mclay@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 449 9598.
• Local MP is Andrew Stunell, email address enquiries@andrewstunell.org.uk, phone number 0161 406 7070.
• CAMSFC contact for queries is Andrew Hubert, email address tba, phone number tba.
• CAMSFC principal is Christina Cassidy, email address info@camsfc.ac.uk, phone number 0161 484 6602.
• Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council is Paul Lawrence, email address paul.lawrence@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 474 4949
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[NeilCorrie]

Mark - sure thing, good idea, now submitted, summary updated below too.  I'll also try a lookup on the Land Registry site (covenants covered here) when they open for business again tomorrow.

• Cheadle+Marple college (CAMSFC) are investigating the sale of their Hibbert Lane campus. See CAMSFC Estates Committee minutes 17th June 2010, point 12.
• Councillor Sue Ingham (Chair of Marple Area Committee) confirmed on Monday 18th July that the college do intend to sell the site, that the land is designated for residential use only and that the councillors have requested a meeting with the college.
• Tesco have a record of buying land prior to getting planning permission and leaving it vacant/abandoned until local authority eventually relinquishes, see Prestatyn situation and associated Facebook campaign page.
• Paul Lawrence, Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council confirmed during w/c Monday 18th July that the college want to raise £10-£12m by selling the Hibbert Lane campus.
• An initial meeting of concerned business owners and residents was held on Friday 22nd July.
• 2 Freedom of Information (FOI) requests have been submitted to the college, one concerning covenants on the land, and one concerning planning correspondence.
• 3 FOI requests have been submitted to Stockport council, one concerning meetings between CAMSFC and Stockport Council, one concerning planning correspondence and one concerning convenants on the land.
• 1 FOI request has been submitted to Tesco concerning planning correspondence and the change in land usage from residential to commercial.
• Forum member Miss Marple has scheduled a meeting with CAMSFC management and local press w/c Monday 25th July. More info tba.
• Area Committe meeting at Marple Library, Wednesday 26th July 6pm.  Open meeting, so public can (and are encouraged to) attend. MP and councillors will be available to respond to questions.
• CAMSFC management are doing a press release w/c Monday 25th July.
• Marple Business forum are meeting on tba to discuss.

Contact details

• Local councillor acting as governor on the college board is Margaret McLay, email address cllr.margaret.mclay@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 449 9598.
• Local MP is Andrew Stunell, email address enquiries@andrewstunell.org.uk, phone number 0161 406 7070.
• CAMSFC contact for queries is Andrew Hubert, email address tba, phone number tba.
• CAMSFC principal is Christina Cassidy, email address info@camsfc.ac.uk, phone number 0161 484 6602.
• Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council is Paul Lawrence, email address paul.lawrence@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 474 4949
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[admin]

Neil, in light of the lack of information forthcoming from Paul Lawrence as described by Catwomen, I think an extra FOI is needed. As you have this aspect almost sewn up under your name can I suggest that you should post another to Stockport Council along the following lines:

We would like to request copies of all documents relating to the historic ownership of the land presently occupied by the Cheadle and Marple Hibbert Lane Campus site and the adjoining green and car park (if they are owned separately). We are specifically seeking documents relating to the chain of events that resulted in ownership of this land by the council and subsequent transfer of ownership to the college, if the land was purchased or gifted, by whom, when and under what circumstances. We also request copies of any covenants relating to the sale or transfer of the land and any restrictions on the use of the land or parts of it.

[NeilCorrie]

Excellent.  Revised in light of above. 

• Cheadle+Marple college (CAMSFC) are investigating the sale of their Hibbert Lane campus. See CAMSFC Estates Committee minutes 17th June 2010, point 12.
• Councillor Sue Ingham (Chair of Marple Area Committee) confirmed on Monday 18th July that the college do intend to sell the site, that the land is designated for residential use only and that the councillors have requested a meeting with the college.
• Tesco have a record of buying land prior to getting planning permission and leaving it vacant/abandoned until local authority eventually relinquishes, see Prestatyn situation and associated Facebook campaign page.
• Paul Lawrence, Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council confirmed during w/c Monday 18th July that the college want to raise £10-£12m by selling the Hibbert Lane campus.
• An initial meeting of concerned business owners and residents was held on Friday 22nd July.
• 2 Freedom of Information (FOI) requests have been submitted to the college, one concerning covenants on the land, and one concerning planning correspondence.
• 2 FOI requests have been submitted to Stockport council, one concerning meetings between CAMSFC and Stockport Council and one concerning planning correspondence.
• 1 FOI request has been submitted to Tesco concerning planning correspondence and the change in land usage from residential to commercial.
• Forum member Miss Marple has scheduled a meeting with CAMSFC management and local press w/c Monday 25th July. More info tba.
• Area Committe meeting at Marple Library, Wednesday 26th July 6pm.  Open meeting, so public can (and are encouraged to) attend. MP and councillors will be available to respond to questions.
• CAMSFC management are doing a press release w/c Monday 25th July.
• Marple Business forum are meeting on tba to discuss.

Contact details

• Local councillor acting as governor on the college board is Margaret McLay, email address cllr.margaret.mclay@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 449 9598.
• Local MP is Andrew Stunell, email address enquiries@andrewstunell.org.uk, phone number 0161 406 7070.
• CAMSFC contact for queries is Andrew Hubert, email address tba, phone number tba.
• CAMSFC principal is Christina Cassidy, email address info@camsfc.ac.uk, phone number 0161 484 6602.
• Service Director for Regeneration at Stockport Council is Paul Lawrence, email address paul.lawrence@stockport.gov.uk, phone number 0161 474 4949
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[Catwoman]

I've added a post to the main Tesco thread about the situation in Prestatyn where it took 15 years for Tesco to get planning permission approved.

[Dave]

He reiterated that the site is not compliant for retail use because it is outside the District Centre and that a large supermarket would have to prove 'sequentiality' ie that there was not an alternative site within the District Centre.

That's a very interesting and potentially significant bit of new information, catwoman - surely there's a good chance of a supermarket chain being able to argue that in Marple?