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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: Miss Marple on March 11, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
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I have had a fascinating conversation today with a resident who lives in the valley close to the now demolished Strines Print Works. I asked him why the housing development had stopped, his reply was that the builder could not sell them because they are built on a flood plain. The chap went on to tell me that he can not get house insurance because his 17th century cottage which is about 500 yds away from the new development was also built on the flood planes. There is also no sewage pipes there, they still use ces pitts and the developers at the planning meeting at the town hall, thought that they could just run the surface water into the river without a return valve and link up the sewage to the exsisting sewage pipes and this was passed by the council planners ;D Hello SMBC is there anybody there ???
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I have had a fascinating conversation today with a resident who lives in the valley close to the now demolished Strines Print Works. I asked him why the housing development had stopped, his reply was that the builder could not sell them because they are built on a flood plane. The chap went on to tell me that he can not get house insurance because his 17th century cottage which is about 500 yds away from the new development was also built on the flood planes. There is also no sewage pipes there, they still use ces pitts and the developers at the planning meeting at the town hall, thought that they could just run the surface water into the river without a return valve and link up the sewage to the exsisting sewage pipes and this was passed by the council planners ;D Hello SMBC is there anybody there ???
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Yes, the developers really got their fingers burnt at Strines. It was a double whammy: the summer 2007 floods cost insurance companies millions, and they suddenly become very jumpy about covering anything built on a flood plain. And then along came the recession and the fall in property prices generally. :'(
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Yes I agree it is a mess but I have just heard that the residents in the valley have just had another letter from SMBC to attend yet another planning meeting for the development of a further 70 houses being proposed on the opposite field facing the unbuilt houses? :-\
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Serves them right, I'm getting fed up of houses being built everywhere.
Quite right - these people who want houses to live in - it's so selfish and inconsiderate ;)
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All the documents are available via the planning portal on stockport.gov.uk
this one was interesting http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=135967 (http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=135967)
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Very interesting indeed -thanks Tricky. One of the most interesting features is the date of the report - last month - which would suggest that the developer is still proposing to build more houses on the site. So he must believe he's going to sell them! :o
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Quote from wisewomanofmarple: "Serves them right, I'm getting fed up of houses being built everywhere".
I have to disagree with your comment. If you download the .PDF document (follow the link supplied by "tricky"), you will see the large factory that used to be on this site - Print Works?. (I've attempted to attach an image to this post).
It doesn't seem unreasonable to re-use this land for residential use. There's always a good argument as to how many homes are allowed to be crammed into the available space, but this isn't a case of building on a green field.
I assume that any local search will now reveal the flood plain assessment. Even though the risk is not "high" (refer to .PDF), I think many people will be put off buying a house in this area. I'm glad I'm not the builder!!
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I have had another opportunity to speak to the chap who lives in the valley. He said that now the factory has been demolished, which he believed acted as a wind breaker. The force of the wind which flows with the river in the valley is often so strong that his windows rattle and out buildings which have stood for years have just been blown away. Sounds like a wonderful place for a new development, well at least they can get their washing dry ? The cottage where he lives is steeped in history I was fascinated listening about how his cottage was the original cloth factory and how they used to bleach the cloth in the fields. He did although tell me that a worker around the 18th century was hung drawn and quartered at Lyme Cage for stealing cloth! I hope someone from the Heritage Magazine reads this post and writes an article on the history of the old Strines Print works :)
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Does anyone remember the two floods at Strines Print Works in the Seventies. I was working there at the time of one of them, it was dreadful there were cattle, sheep , huge paint drums, oil drums and other large objects just flowing down the river. The factory was evacuated and all the workers had to get out of the valley and head for the hills. There has been many floods in the valley I can remember four and I am not that old. Has anyone else got memories of the floods in the factory and surrounding land???
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Memories, Memories, I also worked at Calico Printers as a young girl and remember a catastrophic flood. At the time I thought it was brilliant. I was a print examiner, at the time of the flood .I was working on an order of material for Freddie Laker Airlines. This was for hostess blouses. It was a troublesome order full of faults which meant constantly having to stop my machine to cut out the faults. We were expacted to examine 3000 yards a day and wind the cloth onto paper tubes to the customers requirements. It was a very tiresome job this one, and not reaching the target was often frowned upon even though it was not us the examiners fault. At that time being young and carefree, I used to wish this order would go up in smoke! Well my wish came true sort of. It wasnt consumed by fire it was drowned under 3 foot of water, The most foul, disgusting,stinking muddy water you can imagine, Im sure it contained sewerage. we were all evacuated as the water continued to rise. Myself and some of the other youngsters thought it would be a good idea to stand on the bridge that was nearly submerged. we were moved on by the police who shouted are you bloody stupid? Do you want be swept down the river?We were sent up on to Strines Road to await our transport back to Marple.we didnt want to go home as Granada reports or the programme of the day were there filming and we wanted to be on the telly. We went back to work when it was safe to do so.We were issued with wellies for the massive clean up.We thought it was great ,this wasnt work to us it was weeks playing in mud. I remember myself and a friend were given the job of distributing undamaged food from the high shelves in the kitchen of the canteen. Of course we took the best chocolate bars and crisps for ourselves. It was a massive clean up operation, one that us kids really enjoyed. when the factory was fully operational again. We would get excited when it rained and heard some of the worried management saying to each other " The rivers high" they judged it by pipes that ran from the works over the river. I believe they had a less severe flood after I left a few years later. Looking back as a sensible more mature person. I remember the river being like a conveyor belt of horrors, chemical drums, trees and debris all being swept along from all the other factories on the river. One of the most horrific sights was a build up of dead bloated farm animals all in a heap down river near the now wyevale garden centre :'( Its a wonder us workers didnt catch any nasty diseases. Would I buy a house on Printers drive or whatever its called? NO NO NO or anywhere near if for that matter.The first place to be cleared up was the canteen and that was the furthest away from the river, so you can appreciate just how far back the water spread.
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We will just have to agree to disagree then Marveld.
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I have no sympathy for the developer or for the people who buy the houses on the Strines flood plain.
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Actually I am going to retract my previous statement of:
"Serves them right, I'm getting fed up of houses being built everywhere"
If the houses that are going to be built down by Peacefield are sold at a reasonable price so LOCAL first time buyers can afford them then I would be very happy. So many of my family and friends who couldn't afford to buy a house in Marple (even with 2 wages) where they grew up have had to move to Hyde, Tameside etc. But I very much doubt that a housing developer would do that.
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Well Sooty 2 what a fantastic insight to the floods of the seventies. You encapsulated all my memories in that informative post of the horror of that time. I also remember the clear up and the devastation caused to the area and surrounding properties. I have noted that on the report posted it stated that flood risks are not high risk now in that area ??? Global warming, increased rain fall and weather changes must not affect the valley :-\ Well that's flippin lucky for the housing developers or they would be in a mess :P
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Would be in a mess?They have unsold properties. Land thats probably devalued, I would say they are in deep sh sh sh sewerage. Could you tell me your job down there? I also worked in the lab. Happy Days, especially friday lunchtime in the royal oak with Veras famous toasties ;D
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Well Sooty 2 I feel it would be in your best intrest not to know who I am :-\ I am sure you will recognise me from my profile picture which I have recently updated ;)
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Building seems to have restarted at Strines again. Presumably the developer thinks he can sell the houses now. Maybe the recession is over (you read it first here ;))
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Actually I am going to retract my previous statement of:
"Serves them right, I'm getting fed up of houses being built everywhere"
If the houses that are going to be built down by Peacefield are sold at a reasonable price so LOCAL first time buyers can afford them then I would be very happy. So many of my family and friends who couldn't afford to buy a house in Marple (even with 2 wages) where they grew up have had to move to Hyde, Tameside etc. But I very much doubt that a housing developer would do that.
I was under the impression that all new housing developments had to have a proportion of inexpensive houses for first time buyers.
Would you rather that derelict sites like that of Park and Patt and the old printworks remained derelict? A potentially dangerous and unsightly mess or land put to practical use?
I live near the Park & Patt site and its new use is an infinite improvement on the old chimney that puthered out smoke at regular intervals when I was a girl.
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Actually I am going to retract my previous statement of:
"Serves them right, I'm getting fed up of houses being built everywhere"
If the houses that are going to be built down by Peacefield are sold at a reasonable price so LOCAL first time buyers can afford them then I would be very happy. So many of my family and friends who couldn't afford to buy a house in Marple (even with 2 wages) where they grew up have had to move to Hyde, Tameside etc. But I very much doubt that a housing developer would do that.
I was under the impression that all new housing developments had to have a proportion of inexpensive houses for first time buyers.
Would you rather that derelict sites like that of Park and Patt and the old printworks remained derelict? A potentially dangerous and unsightly mess or land put to practical use?
I live near the Park & Patt site and its new use is an infinite improvement on the old chimney that puthered out smoke at regular intervals when I was a girl.
YES !!!
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If anyone is thinking about going to the sales office today at Mill Green, I suggest you take your wellies or a small boat as Station road near the site entrance is flooded from one side to the other. The nearby field is also very wet with pools of water.
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If anyone is thinking about going to the sales office today at Mill Green, I suggest you take your wellies or a small boat as Station road near the site entrance is flooded from one side to the other. The nearby field is also very wet with pools of water.
I rest my case :-X
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When the original planning permission was given the developer had to raise the level of the land using the rubble from the old buildings, because of the flood plain danger. The builder has since gone back to the council and obtained planning permission to build more dwellings on the site due to the fact that he could not sell the original buildings as they were now way above market price. I believe this has been done with the agreement of the local residents association.
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Building on the brownfield site at Strines is now well under way again, and there's no shortage of marketing going on, as users of Marple Station can testify (very attractive poster with a picture of the historic listed dovecote in the middle of the pond).
Here's a link to the developer's website: http://www.stewartmilnehomes.com/Mill-Green--Strines.aspx?DevelopmentID=91&did=91&PriceRange=0&Bedrooms=0&HomeTypeID=0&TownID=75&RegionID=9 Sounds idyllic, doesn't it? Funnily enough, there's no mention of a flood plain..........
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I enjoyed the advertising leaflet that came with the Stockport Times - somewhat misleading in several respects, I thought! Caveat emptor!!
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If anyone is thinking about going to the sales office today at Mill Green, I suggest you take your wellies or a small boat as Station road near the site entrance is flooded from one side to the other. The nearby field is also very wet with pools of water.
I rest my case :-X
That certainly suggests teh remedial work to get over the flood threat has been a success.
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Surely if some kind of "moat" was dug around the perimeter of the housing development, this would eliminate the problem? ???