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Archive => Archived Boards => Local Issues => Topic started by: bluebelly on September 08, 2011, 09:32:10 AM
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the mcnulty review has listed a number of ticket offices to close.
marple,rose hill , new mills, romiley are just afew that come under the catogery recomended to be closed down
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That's a shame, particularly Rose Hill, the guy in the ticket office makes a real effort to keep the station and car park clean and tidy, and he is so pleasant.
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The McNulty report can (at least at the time of writing in this forum) be found at:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/realising-the-potential-of-gb-rail/ (http://www.dft.gov.uk/publications/realising-the-potential-of-gb-rail/)
Page 208 (of the whole report) recommends:
- Close all "Category E" ticket offices
- Reduce opening hours at "Category D" ticket offices (presumably to the 7am-10am suggested in the report?)
Does anyone know how one finds out what category a particular station/ticket office is?
The report is a recommendation only (and was commissioned by the previous government). It suggests (p215 of the whole report) implementation in 2013.
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this echos of beeaching
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Does anyone know how one finds out what category a particular station/ticket office is?
OK - attempting to answer my own post. That fount of all knowledge Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_railway_station_categories (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_railway_station_categories)
lists:
Marple as category D (recommended for reduced hours)
Rose Hill, Romiley and New Mills as category E (recommended for closure)
Apparently all you have to do to change the category is get more passengers travelling from that station ...
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Makes sense really, especially Rose Hill.
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Makes sense really, especially Rose Hill.
I have to agree. It is better to keep ticket prices down rather than have ticket offices when tickets can be bought on the train.
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Thats Odd, I swear i've red somewere a article suggesting that marple station was to be improved!
I'll be a bit brassed off if they close the ticket office, as it normally means the line will be next on the beeaching and sons chopping block.
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Thats Odd, I swear i've red somewere a article suggesting that marple station was to be improved!
I'll be a bit brassed off if they close the ticket office, as it normally means the line will be next on the beeaching and sons chopping block.
You're quite right Cpt. Forum topic Marple train station : lift ! (http://www.marple-uk.com/smf/index.php?topic=3696.0).
Planning application DC/047839 Part 11 GPDO Development (http://www.stockport.gov.uk/2013/2994/developmentcontrol/planningappsweeklylist/weeklylist15aug2011)
Replacement footbridge and alterations at Marple Railway Station including extension to ticket building to provide toilet facilities.
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the stations will remain open, there will ticket machines installed. you will not be able to buy your ticket on the train. if you attempt to you will be charged afull priced single only, or be given a fixed penalty notice. no one will ever have an excuse for not having a ticket, as the machines will be accesable 24 hours a day , every day.
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Thats Odd, I swear i've red somewere a article suggesting that marple station was to be improved!
I'll be a bit brassed off if they close the ticket office, as it normally means the line will be next on the beeaching and sons chopping block.
Rose Hill possibly should be shut but self service stations do not mean closure.When I lived elsewhere, the station was far busier than either Rose Hill or Marple but no need for a ticket office, simply a few machines.
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I agree. In a way, having self-service machines could protect a station from closure, because the station becomes so cheap to run that there's hardly any money to be saved by closing it!
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I agree. In a way, having self-service machines could protect a station from closure, because the station becomes so cheap to run that there's hardly any money to be saved by closing it!
I can see Rose hill being closed as it's just awkward, it means trains can go no further and really we don't need two stations on the same line.
A decent amount of housing could go on the station site & along the line.
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Try telling the people who campaigned for more trains to Rose Hill that it is not needed! (And wear your hard hat while you do!) :D
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I agree. In a way, having subversives machines could protect a station from closure, because the station becomes so cheap to run that there's hardly any money to be saved by closing it!
I can see Rose hill being closed as it's just awkward, it means trains can go no further and really we don't need two stations on the same line.
A decent amount of housing could go on the station site & along the line.
And were will all the extra cars go if they close rose hill no room at Marple now
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I agree. In a way, having self-service machines could protect a station from closure, because the station becomes so cheap to run that there's hardly any money to be saved by closing it!
I can see Rose hill being closed as it's just awkward, it means trains can go no further and really we don't need two stations on the same line.
A decent amount of housing could go on the station site & along the line.
Or there might even be room for a *cough* SUPERMARKET *cough* ;D
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I agree. In a way, having subversives machines could protect a station from closure, because the station becomes so cheap to run that there's hardly any money to be saved by closing it!
I can see Rose hill being closed as it's just awkward, it means trains can go no further and really we don't need two stations on the same line.
A decent amount of housing could go on the station site & along the line.
And were will all the extra cars go if they close rose hill no room at Marple now
The car park at Rose hill is very small.
If Network rail sold the site & track bed, I'm sure there would be more than enough spare cash to build an extra storey in Marple station car-park
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I agree. In a way, having self-service machines could protect a station from closure, because the station becomes so cheap to run that there's hardly any money to be saved by closing it!
I can see Rose hill being closed as it's just awkward, it means trains can go no further and really we don't need two stations on the same line.
A decent amount of housing could go on the station site & along the line.
Or there might even be room for a *cough* SUPERMARKET *cough* ;D
Hey Daniel, I had a conversation with one of my neighbours the other day saying how great it would be if the supermarket was built on Rose Hill Train station... Are you stalking me and taking notes of all my conversations?
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Hey Daniel, I had a conversation with one of my neighbours the other day saying how great it would be if the supermarket was built on Rose Hill Train station... Are you stalking me and taking notes of all my conversations?
It would be equally wrong to place it there. It must be within the town centre.
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Hey Daniel, I had a conversation with one of my neighbours the other day saying how great it would be if the supermarket was built on Rose Hill Train station... Are you stalking me and taking notes of all my conversations?
It would be equally wrong to place it there. It must be within the town centre.
It was a joke! (I did have the convo though, but was joking!!) Lighten up!
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"Humorous" response almost certain to be taken the wrong way overwritten. Admin.
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rose hill will never be closed! Its been kept open or years regardless of rumours and regardless of lack of use .. Sure when we were young (some of us!) it was always said that a network rail bigwig lived in Rose hill and that was why it was kept open!! Marple Whispers :D
Hasn't the station been automated before? And then put back to manned?
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Hasn't the station been automated before? And then put back to manned?
Yes! I remember the weird old cylindrical ticket machine there that barely worked.
Ironically Northern Rail weren't interested a few years ago when I asked if they had plans to install ticket machines at Marple or Rose Hill. If you arrive when either ticket office is shut and have to buy a ticket on the train you can be at Ashburys before the guard reaches you. Sometimes they never reach the end of a train and a throng of people have to queue on the platform for a ticket at Piccadilly.
It is "nice" to have the Rose Hill office manned during the morning, but hardly essential. A 24hr ticket machine would actually be far more useful, and if we're ever to see Metrolink extended here it'd just be a precursor to how those stops operate anyway.
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the stations arnt closeing,just the ticket office. if it saves 5p on a ticket or saves some one a minute queing ,then am sure its well worth the job of the person working there. what selfish place we live in!!!!
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the stations arnt closeing,just the ticket office. if it saves 5p on a ticket or saves some one a minute queing ,then am sure its well worth the job of the person working there. what selfish place we live in!!!!
That may be 'nice' to keep people in jobs for the sake of it but that's why we've had over-bloated organisations and huge tax biils adn why it's so expensive to do anything within the UK.
It's like the public sector cuts, they may seem harsh but it's the right thing to do.
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actually I'd argue that its because theres a lot of big wigs who pay themselves far too much money and this country could save a lot more by cutting their wages and bonuses and pensions a little bit instead of getting rid of a few blokes in ticket offices...
public sector jobs included in that...
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A proposed new supermarket on the site of Rose Hill station might see the Spar and Raja Bros unite in a campaign of opposition ;D
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A lot of people walk to Rose Hill that will choose to drive to Maple if Rose Hill was closed, Marple station would then need a LOT more parking. As it is too far for a lot of people to walk (and some people don’t have a car) a bus would also need to be provided that linked in with train times – this would not be a bad think to have anyway.
A lot of School Children use Rose Hill Station, would the parents just drive them to School if the station closed.
There are two sets of train track into Manchester, so trains from Marple need to go both ways to serve the other stations on the two set of lines, therefore the saving from having a single Marple station are not that great.
It is easy for a train to wait at Rose Hill until it’s time to return to Manchester, has Marple station got enough space to turn round enough trains?
However we can still fit in a Super Market without closing the Station by using some of the other land round it. More jobs would be created at the Super Market then lost at the few companies that would need closing. However I would rather have one large new supermarket for all of Maple, then have two new smaller supermarkets.
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Rose Hill STATION most assuredly isn't closing - just POSSIBLY the TICKET OFFICE.
IF it happens - and it's a big if, because the report recommending it was commissioned by the previous government - then it would simply mean ticket machines rather than humankind to greet you on the platform.
I don't often use Rose Hill - the trains are more frequent and reliable (but overcrowded) at Marple - but I have to confess the Friends of Rose Hill Station have done an admirable job on the gardens.
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I don't often use Rose Hill - the trains are more frequent and reliable (but overcrowded) at Marple - but I have to confess the Friends of Rose Hill Station have done an admirable job on the gardens.
They keep the station looking very nice all year round, I often see them on a sunday :D
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Mr Seisay is still sadly missed the station was a credit to him !
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Mr Seisay is still sadly missed the station was a credit to him !
Very true. Charlie was a real gentleman.
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I wonder if there are any pictures of him that can be put on the site. I think that would be a fantastic tribute. I know the family so will ask if they have any photos of Charlie at Rose Hill Station he kept it so nice and I agree he was a true gentleman.
Hey Harry now I know you have not just left college ;)
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I noticed yesterday what looks like the concrete base for a ticket machine (with a tube for electrical wires sticking out the back) on the platform at Romiley station, so it seems they're coming... Not sure if this will directly impact booking office hours yet?
Also, the support beam for a passenger information display (live departures board) is now up at Rose Hill.
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isn't it strange how a name can stir memories i can remember how smart he allways looked
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If you go to latest pictures then search then rose hill you will find a few photographs of rose hill station Ray
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If you go to latest pictures then search then rose hill you will find a few photographs of rose hill station Ray
any body know when Marple station is being done new lifts booking office .[ will possibly be better when it does close went to Marple station to book some tcks to winderemere it was closed this was dinner time ended up going to stockport , tcks were for sat travel stockport said enginering works that day you will have to travel vi man vic then Bolton then preston for the train to oxenholme we did find out there were no engineering works that day , the train started man airport called at oxford road . to make things even worse
it forgot to stop at oxenholme went straight on to carlse , rolling stock may have changed but the rest is just as bad
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any body know when Marple station is being done new lifts booking office
Should be soon according to this:
Rail Station Accessibility Programme
8.1 Network Rail has developed “Access for All” schemes at the following Greater Manchester stations: Cheadle Hulme; Marple; Littleborough; and Manchester Oxford Road.
Marple: The scheme provides level access through the introduction of a new footbridge, lifts and accessible toilets. Network Rail forecast that work will commence on site in winter 2011/12 with practical completion forecast for summer 2012.
Source: http://www.transportforgreatermanchestercommittee.gov.uk/downloads/file/3378/item_07_local_rail_service_performance_and_station_issues
Meanwhile the new information screen at Rose Hill is now installed and powered up, though not displaying any departures yet.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6443717443_5c05c2679e_z_d.jpg)
Good to see this 19th Century station brought into the 21st!
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It was showing departures on Thursday although that may have just been a test.
Was also showing arrivals which was a little confusing!
Andy
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Nice to see the new information screen, although that hardly makes up for the fact that:
1. We've got the worst trains on the entire UK rail network - i.e. those cramped, noisy and uncomfortable bus-like trains called class 142s. Although I did read somewhere the other day that when the winter timetable starts in a week's time, we are due for an increase in capacity as some more ageing class 142 units are dumped on us because no other region will have them. :(
2. Since the unwelcome meddling of our councillors a year ago, the timings of daytime trains between Piccadilly and Marple, and Rose Hill, are hopeless. To Marple: xx.45, and xx.03. To Rose Hill xx.23 and xx36. So there are two trains about 15 mins apart, then nothing for three-quarters of an hour! :(
3. The evening and Sunday services are pathetic.
Sorry, feeling grumpy today......
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Nice to see the new information screen, although that hardly makes up for the fact that:
1. We've got the worst trains on the entire UK rail network - i.e. those cramped, noisy and uncomfortable bus-like trains called class 142s. Although I did read somewhere the other day that when the winter timetable starts in a week's time, we are due for an increase in capacity as some more ageing class 142 units are dumped on us because no other region will have them. :(
2. Since the unwelcome meddling of our councillors a year ago, the timings of daytime trains between Piccadilly and Marple, and Rose Hill, are hopeless. To Marple: xx.45, and xx.03. To Rose Hill xx.23 and xx36. So there are two trains about 15 mins apart, then nothing for three-quarters of an hour! :(
3. The evening and Sunday services are pathetic.
Sorry, feeling grumpy today......Its flaming Christmas .roll on the cricket season
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No need to apologise for being grumpy Dave, the points you make are valid! The trains are generally awful, with heating systems that can't be turned off in hot weather, broken seats, and really scruffy. And the timings are poor too. I feel like apologising to any visitors if they have to travel on them. On the other hand I feel I can't really complain as I can travel on them for nowt being a poor old pensioner!!
Cheers, etc :-\
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Absolutely right Dave, particularly about the evening and (truly dreadful) Sunday service which seems to be stuck in the dark ages. Rose Hill was meant to be one of the first lines converted to light rail back in the '80s. Now we're more than 20 years on with the same cast-off trains, same useless timetable, ... The treatment from TfGM/GMPTE and the lack of drive from Stockport council is infuriating.
Marple would seem like finally being the next Metrolink destination after the latest extensions are completed, but I wouldn't be surprised if another line was pushed ahead again and we got another round of cast-off trains. (At the minute it seems Northern are at least laying on a few more Class 150s, which seem positively luxurious.)
In my opinion, this forum shouldn't be fretting about a damn supermarket, with an absolutely minute significance in the great scheme of things, we should be campaigning to get ourselves on the Metrolink map, to get the transport links we've been promised so long. New tram-trains and turn-up-and-go frequencies. If they could get the line built to Stockport as well as Manchester in our lifetime it would absolutely transform the entire area; genuinely the most important step for the town in the hundred odd years since the railways were first built here.
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Too right, rsh - 'dark ages' says it all! When you see the quality and capacity of the rolling stock in other parts of the country - not just London, but Leeds, Birmingham too - it's inexcusable that we are still putting up with such an appalling service. I've just got back from a quick trip to the Isle of Wight. There's a short (ten minute) shuttle train service between Brockenhurst, in the New Forest, and Lymington Pier, where the ferry goes from. That service is operated by refurbished class 158 trains - they are smart, comfortable and roomy, and they even have a first class compartment - for a ten minute trip! Meanwhile, we have to put up with clapped out old class 142s. >:(
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Might I add that the present 'Station Master' at Rose Hill, Tony, is treasure for all the passengers who use the station, ever helpful and friendly, 5*
And come back 101s, at least a move up from the 'orrid MerseyRail cast-offs !
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isn't it strange how a name can stir memories i can remember how smart he allways looked
My father was in business in Market Street and I remember him commenting on Mr S's gentlemanly conduct. When they came shoppingin the days when the street was open to traffic, he used to park the car, get out and walk round to the passenger side, open the door and hand Mrs S out of the car. Father was most impressed.
I was a student at Bangor 1968/71 and whenever I came home on the train Charlie would always greet me by name, ask me how long I was home for and give me a sweetie.
I believe the congregation at his funeral was so big it overflowed into the churchyard. I was sorry to miss it but I was working away.