Post by: MCC Executive Committee on February 06, 2004, 12:15:07 AM
www.stockport.gov.uk/saferstockport
At our meeting in February "Anti Social Behaviour" issues will be on our agenda, "Criminal acts", which often follow from anti social behaviour are also an issue in Marple, the two activities are separate, but of course are often related.
We would support an open Community Meeting and have written to John Houghton on this matter, before we go ahead, we would like to hear from yourselves concerning the following:
- "Yes" or "No" to an open meeting to discuss issues.
- Would it be your wish to confine the meeting to residents Â
 only ? nb no outside agencies.
Please look at the web site above, also you may want have a look at how others are dealing with these problems within their own community, in particular many sites define the range of the problem and include the "weapons" available.
Please let us know how you feel about a meeting, reply here or email us on mcc@peacefield.fsnet.co.uk
Thanks
Post by: on January 27, 2004, 09:56:52 AM
The police arrived and did contain the situation which was fortunate, however my point is this sort of behaviour should not be acceptable. We have a problem in Marple of youths hanging about on the streets, drinking alcohol and abusing the public. This problem occurs in Stockport and the surrounding villages, there should be police that can target youths for at the very least underage drinking and have a more overt presence. This problem can only get worse and as a community it is up to us to stand up and say that this is not going to be tolerated. I would welcome the readerships views on the subject and I would appeal to the public’s good nature to write in and comment on this. I am surely not the only person in the borough that is angered and frustrated by this.
Post by: on February 03, 2004, 01:02:05 PM
Anybody can sign-up for as many free email addresses as they like. There is no limit. Mark could limit log entry to registered users, but he cannot check who wants to register with this forum / site. All he can do is cancel their registration if and when he sees fit. The person can then just re-register with a different name/email address.
Also, rarely can users be traced via their IP address. Many have an IP address allocated on connection, some connect via proxy servers, some connect at internet cafes or wireless hotspots. Usually all the IP address would give is the name of the ISP.
Start a log by all means. This can be presented to the powers that be as evidence that there is a problem and something needs to be done. Far better than people just saying 'we have a problem on the streets' without being able to quantify it. But with a viewable log it would be very difficult to give anonymity, its not just the userid, its the location which could be in the entry, i.e. my house on the corner of abc street was vandalised.
I will reserve judgement on the idea of a support group. I don't know what they would be expected to do or achieve. Images of Charles Bronson walking round Central Park doing his bit against crime in Death Wish spring to mind.
Don't get paranoid about this. Its a very, very small minority, probably just a handful, causing a problem. All we really need is a police presence. I read that there is one police officer for approx. every 400 people in this area (figures may be slightly out but not far). Marple has a population of about 23000. So, being simplistic we should have about 57 police dedicated to Marple. Obviously it doesn't work like that. Some are needed on Motorways, in city centres, in the stations, etc. Â But we should definately have more than we do have.
Wilmslow businesses are now paying to have a small number of extra officers on duty on weekend evenings. Perhaps thats the answer.
Post by: johnhoughton77 on January 27, 2004, 12:33:45 PM
I have always been a staunch supporter of the Youth in our local community and normally have plenty to say on the topic, but on this occassion I am really lost for words.
I can only point the accusing finger at parents for not knowing what their children are upto, those who supply the alcohol to underage drinkers, the police for taking a soft approach, but would express a greater concern that these teenagers are often encouraged on by others over the age of 18.
It would appear that the cameras in Marple are having not providing sufficient deterent by way of location or central monitoring.
My views are from observation and personnal experience.
Post by: alan@marple on January 27, 2004, 07:37:51 PM
So we should not "Knock" our local officers, but ask what our local representative on the Police Authority has to say about the concerns of residents and what can and will be done to make the community feel safer and more secure.
I would be very pleased to read of reports of satisfactory community service punishment followed by a further substabtial period of non re-offending.
I would suggest that custodial sentences should precede community service orders.
The light evening are approaching, could we perhaps have a "log" page on the website so that all the individual incidents are recorded and which might on some future occasion be presented to the appropriate authorities in support of our demand for a safer environment.
When is the next local Police consultative meeting?
Perhaps that might be the place to really get to grips with the situation especially if held in Marple.
I get so angry when I see these yobs around the Hollins and Market St and the Texaco Garage and frustrated when I feel unable to remonstrate with them for fear of physical assault.
MCC! ANY ADVICE?
Post by: on January 29, 2004, 02:08:01 PM
Post by: on January 29, 2004, 06:25:27 PM
Just where in Marple did this assault take place?
Post by: on January 30, 2004, 08:36:10 AM
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Post by: johnhoughton77 on January 30, 2004, 12:53:38 PM
Why should law abiding people be driven away by a few with the strong posibility of relocating into an area that has the same or even worse social problems.
Could I suggest that people affected by these issues form a local action / support group (if not already existing), if nothing else it could provide moral support.
If enough are interested I will make an attempt to arrange a venue (maybe my house) and the tea with biscuits.
Drop me a line.
Post by: useful on February 01, 2004, 02:32:26 PM
Friday night I was kept up till 3.15am as three people, 1 woman & two men were shouting abuse at each other, the noise was bad enough but the words they were using was discusting, this started at 2am and went on & on.
Saturday night Noise again this time from 4 lads for about half an hour, but it was still enough to wake me & keep me a wake for awhile.
This was a quiet street till Kelly's opened and now it is a waste of time going to bed till about 3am.
I am not old but it makes me mad, how the people with young children feel about this noise etc every weekend, or the many old people on this street feel I don't know but I bet they are as mad about this as me.
I feel something needs to be done about this?.
Post by: Tricky on February 01, 2004, 07:42:43 PM
Obviously - if there was a log it could be presented to the powers that be and, perhaps, the wardens could actually patrol the problem areas and not just nice quiet bits of the village, which is the only place I've seen them.
Post by: admin on February 01, 2004, 08:11:41 PM
Unfortunately with the site being down nearly all weekend (see Steve's apology in the System Announcements) I've not been able to do so - I'll try to get it done this week.
Post by: johnhoughton77 on February 02, 2004, 08:20:38 AM
Could I suggest that any log on the site with regards this topic can only be viewed by registered users, I just think that other wise offenders could use to there own ends.
Thankyou.
Post by: on February 02, 2004, 08:37:46 AM
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| Could I suggest that any log on the site with regards this topic can only be viewed by registered users, Â I just think that other wise offenders could use to there own ends |
I think you will find that anybody, even undesirables, can register to use this site.
Post by: johnhoughton77 on February 02, 2004, 10:00:50 AM
Thankyou for your comment, I was aiming more at those people who can view the board inorder to extract information, but a registered user can have access to the incident log as these people would be required to leave a valid e mail address with password protection, should it be proven that an undesirable is using this information details can then be tracked through IP addresses.
My thoughts are with those experiencing problems and security steps that could be taken to give them the feeling of safety and not worry about other problems resulting from what they placed on a forum board, I am sure you will agree that safety and security is not only confined to the streets.
I notice that you have not commented on the offer of establishing a local support group.
Post by: johnhoughton77 on February 03, 2004, 02:02:31 PM
As you are aware it is impossible to please everybody and hard as some try, they cannot please anybody. A support group is not designed to create a bunch of vigilantes, but more a case of other people sharing / caring.
My thoughts were with those who maybe by themselves, easily intimidated or in the category of vulnerable. Self help and community help is always going to bring people together, but unfortunately you always get somebody who poo poo's every effort of others when it is well intentioned.
I have no problem with the youth in Marple or anyone else, but my public spirit was to hold out a helping hand, which is unfortunately lacking within this community and is more likely to result in it being thrown firmly in your face.
Maybe I should reconsider my offer as the only real reply I have received is in the negative.
I am sure that local businesses would love the idea of being levied even further for a service they should already receive.
Post by: on February 03, 2004, 03:00:43 PM
I would happily pay a little extra to have a police presence in Marple. It doesn't have to be the businesses that pay, its just that that is how they chose to do it in Wilmslow.
If each person in Marple donated 25p per month that would raise about £69,000 per year, or £1,300 per week, to pay overtime for a couple of police officers to patrol Marple on a weekend evening. Sounds reasonable. Its done as overtime in Wilmslow.
Of course not everyone would be willing to pay. I for one would happily pay 20 times that amount, or more, to help make the streets safer for people to walk, property not to be damaged and even maybe have glass in the bus shelters and phone boxes on a Sunday morning.
I'm not being negative or poo pooing your ideas, just offering an alternative. I'm more for prevention than victim support, we probably need both.
Post by: alan@marple on February 03, 2004, 07:17:47 PM
I would rather pay for extra police officers supported by the "specials" than look at pretty banners hanging from the lamp posts.
I do hope you can organise the meeting, I for one will attend
Post by: MCC Executive Committee on February 09, 2004, 12:41:35 PM
Today I had a long chat with the team, they would be more than happy to attend a meeting here in Marple.
So I am going to organise a time, a place and publicity- to be announced when it's arranged.
The meeting will be about "What is going on?" and "What needs to be done?".
The main contributers will be YOURSELVES.
Any comments?
Adrian Taylor
Post by: on February 15, 2004, 09:27:02 PM
Having read through the various issues I wonder how many use this forum as a sounding board but leave the nitty gritty to others, I hope your efforts will get the support from the registered users at least.