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Title: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: admin on January 17, 2018, 07:29:07 AM
Here's a video of candidate Colin Macalister talking about the speed bumps on Windlehurst / Hibbert Lane:

https://www.facebook.com/MarpleLibDems/videos/344603359351923/ (https://www.facebook.com/MarpleLibDems/videos/344603359351923/)


@ColinMac
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: Razzle24 on January 17, 2018, 01:30:12 PM
I thought that this what local residents wanted? I personally think that they are awful, they make the road look a mess and cause cars to constantly brake to go over them. Not to mention the noise and pollution that they are creating!
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: admin on February 16, 2018, 11:30:07 AM
Colin has ventured further into Marple now, to Hibbert Lane, where more speed cushions are planning:

https://www.facebook.com/MarpleLibDems/videos/357559898056269/
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: CllrGeoffAbell on March 25, 2018, 12:29:27 PM
It's not just "no bumps".  It's also what are the alternatives?  So I've been working with Colin to get an answer to that question.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: admin on April 22, 2018, 01:24:54 PM
I've broken these posts out from @ColinMac 's introductory thread as it's a subject that I'd like to hear all candidates' views on.

In my own view the new speed cushions on Windlehurst Road are horrendous, and the old ones on Hibbert Lane are dreadful too.

I often use Tomlinson Parbans for timber and building materials, they provide a really good service, but I'm starting to think twice about going now because in my relatively small car (a Ford BMax) these new humps are incredibly unpleasant to drive over and I'm sure they are damaging my vehicle too. I cannot drive over these cushions at 30mph, which is the speed limit on that road, in fact even at 20mph some of them are really difficult. The humps on Cross Lane I go over at around 20-25mph and they are fine - there is no comparison.

I've heard it said that they are there because that's what residents wanted but I can't believe they knew that they were actually getting this!

What can be done about it? What are other peoples' views on these measures? And what do existing and prospective Marple South and High Lane councillors think can or should be done?

@chriswallis labour
@yvonnecollier
@ColinMac
@CllrKennyBlair
@TomDowseMarpleSouth
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: chriswallis labour on April 22, 2018, 02:09:41 PM
Thanks for this opportuntiy admin. I was very involved in the campaign to get a speed limit and weight restriction on Church Lane. Despite signage - inadequate - we still get several 7.5 tonners a day up the road and we had a ten ton crane up there recently that was too wide for the road. I've had some success calling the owners of the trucks and explaining the problem, and lots, like Crowfoots, have taken it on board and instructed their drivers to go up Stockport Rd and right into Hibbert Lane. The one company I had serious problems with was the company that runs the yellow school buses- Stagecoach? - who instructed their drivers not to talk to me if I flagged them down - which I always do if I can. The police sorted them out.

As a result of our campaign the Lib Dem Council and ACM - that rather raucous one involving the reversal of direction at the car park behind the Carver which demonstrated that the councillors were very unused to dealing with concerned crowds of 250 people - agreed a speed limit of 20mph but they didn't have the £6k to implement it - it was to be bounded by Cross Lane., Buxton Lane, Hibbert Lane and Stockport Rd. I've asked Kenny Blair to chase it several times but he has failed to get back to me.

If I get elected I will press for a 20mph limit across Marple with the exception of Stockport Rd which has enough traffic lights to slow stuff down except at night. The 20mph limit  in residential areas is very common now in London, and Manchester adopted a policy in 2012 of rolling them out as an experiment across Gorton, Miles Platting, Newton Heath, Moss Side and Fallowfield. There's an evaluation from late last year which shows a reduction in casualties, and that they are starting 'sense of place' evaluation on the local communities. I've put a link at the bottom of the post. Policing the limit is done by random checks - as anyone driving along the Hyde road into Gorton knows only too well - and they're very effective. The 'sense of place' idea is to check that residents support and feel ownership of the limit, and will try to enforce it socially. They havve a poster people can download, print and put in their windows. Link also below.

I am currently thoroughly against speed bumps because (a) they don't work , they merely encourage drivers to develop strategies to supervene them, (b) they cause pollution (c) they can damage your car if it's an unfamiliar road. I am thoroughly in favour of cameras, random police checks and residents support. I have thought for some time it would be useful to have a speed camera app on your iphone. I am,however, committed to evidence based policy, and if the evidence overall is that speed bumps are the most economical and effective way of reducing speed allowing for a full costing of their disadvantages, I will support them. But I have seen no research that supports this.

www.manchester.gov.uk/.../id/.../16_evaluation_of_phase_1_of_20mph_speed_limits
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200082/road_safety_advice/2132/speed_limits/1

Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: Cyberman on April 22, 2018, 07:26:43 PM
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If I get elected I will press for a 20mph limit across Marple with the exception of Stockport Rd which has enough traffic lights to slow stuff down except at night.

Who will enforce that? Sorry to sound negative but after the cuts to the police force enforcement of the 30mph limit is a joke. As is enforcement of the law to have insurance and road tax.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: chriswallis labour on April 22, 2018, 10:31:55 PM
Cyberman you have a very good point, but Manchester seem to have managed it and if you read the report they don't think it's an expensive thing to do.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: andrewbowden on April 22, 2018, 10:47:17 PM
The biggest question with 20mph speed limits is... do they do any good at all?

Studies suggest that actually when it comes to speed reduction, they don't do that much - at least to this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/may/29/do-20mph-speed-limits-actually-work-london-brighton

And in Manchester, well the results weren't brilliant.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/20mph-speed-limit-manchester-stopped-12706663

it tallies with my experience on the road near my parents house.  It is a 20mph zone.  Goodness knows why - never worked out what that council (not Stockport) had in mind as its reasoning.  Anyway, it has all the gadgets, including one of those laser display boards that tell you how fast you're going.

Thanks to that, I know how rare it is to see people going at 20mph.  Indeed one evening I saw a police car on the road - without its blue lights flashing - zooming down at around 35mph!

The biggest problem is that a huge swathe of the population do not consider speeding to be a crime.  Just go on any motorway to see evidence of that.  If you're willing to speed down the M60 at 85 mph (it is possible sometimes to do that) why would you respect a 20mph zone?  Hey, I used to live near a road that was a 30mph zone full of speed-bumps and you'd be amazed at how many people went down it at 50mph at night time... 
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: CllrGeoffAbell on April 23, 2018, 10:12:35 AM
Thanks for this opportuntiy admin. I was very involved in the campaign to get a speed limit and weight restriction on Church Lane. Despite signage - inadequate - we still get several 7.5 tonners a day up the road and we had a ten ton crane up there recently that was too wide for the road. I've had some success calling the owners of the trucks and explaining the problem, and lots, like Crowfoots, have taken it on board and instructed their drivers to go up Stockport Rd and right into Hibbert Lane. The one company I had serious problems with was the company that runs the yellow school buses- Stagecoach? - who instructed their drivers not to talk to me if I flagged them down - which I always do if I can. The police sorted them out.

As a result of our campaign the Lib Dem Council and ACM - that rather raucous one involving the reversal of direction at the car park behind the Carver which demonstrated that the councillors were very unused to dealing with concerned crowds of 250 people - agreed a speed limit of 20mph but they didn't have the £6k to implement it - it was to be bounded by Cross Lane., Buxton Lane, Hibbert Lane and Stockport Rd. I've asked Kenny Blair to chase it several times but he has failed to get back to me.

If I get elected I will press for a 20mph limit across Marple with the exception of Stockport Rd which has enough traffic lights to slow stuff down except at night. The 20mph limit  in residential areas is very common now in London, and Manchester adopted a policy in 2012 of rolling them out as an experiment across Gorton, Miles Platting, Newton Heath, Moss Side and Fallowfield. There's an evaluation from late last year which shows a reduction in casualties, and that they are starting 'sense of place' evaluation on the local communities. I've put a link at the bottom of the post. Policing the limit is done by random checks - as anyone driving along the Hyde road into Gorton knows only too well - and they're very effective. The 'sense of place' idea is to check that residents support and feel ownership of the limit, and will try to enforce it socially. They havve a poster people can download, print and put in their windows. Link also below.

I am currently thoroughly against speed bumps because (a) they don't work , they merely encourage drivers to develop strategies to supervene them, (b) they cause pollution (c) they can damage your car if it's an unfamiliar road. I am thoroughly in favour of cameras, random police checks and residents support. I have thought for some time it would be useful to have a speed camera app on your iphone. I am,however, committed to evidence based policy, and if the evidence overall is that speed bumps are the most economical and effective way of reducing speed allowing for a full costing of their disadvantages, I will support them. But I have seen no research that supports this.

www.manchester.gov.uk/.../id/.../16_evaluation_of_phase_1_of_20mph_speed_limits
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/200082/road_safety_advice/2132/speed_limits/1

1) Rather than just moan about it (or just accept it) @ColinMac and others have tried to see alternatives.  We saw how Bedford did it with average speed cameras.  https://www.bedford.gov.uk/transport_and_streets/road_safety/speed_limits/average_speed_cameras.aspx (https://www.bedford.gov.uk/transport_and_streets/road_safety/speed_limits/average_speed_cameras.aspx)
in their first deployment, the average on a main road through a village went from 47 mph to 31 mph - you can visibly see them slowing down.

2) High Lane (off the main roads) is a 20 mph zone and it does work, though not with everyone.  Enforcement is a problem.

3) The consultation for Windlehurst was on with residents on the road itself - and they wanted less traffic.  Speed was secondary.

4) Councillor Sue Ingham got residents parking on Church Lane which helps.  Although when are Labour-controlled Stockport Council going to repair the roads of Marple South under the Lib Dem-started Highways Improvement programme?
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: K.C.Dowling on April 23, 2018, 10:38:31 AM
You're right Geoff, ...'Enforcement is a problem...'

Whether it be speeding, litter-drop, dog fouling et al. Where there is no enforcement, there will be no change.

One symptom of this austerity mantra, is that it has successfully bred a 'can't do' mentality as far as enforcement is concerned.

Can't do because...No Money, No Officers, No Staff, No resources, No Time. The list is endless and everything begins with 'NO!'

Our officials and Officers, both elected and unelected are far too comfortable with each other and with this mentality. If the electorate continues with its allegiance to National Parties and its slavish devotion in voting for NO CHANGE, then NO CHANGE  is what we will get and NO CHANGE, is exactly what we will deserve. Today it will be speed bumps and dog pooh. Tomorrow who knows - 4000 houses on the greenbelt?

       
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: chriswallis labour on April 23, 2018, 11:45:09 PM
Geoff I'm interested in this canard that is turning into a flock that Cllr Ingham - for whom I have the utmost respect - 'got the resident's parking in Church lane'. In what respect did she 'get' it? was it her idea? No, it was the resident's idea. Did she encourage us to pursue it? No, she attended one meeting that I know of after that hilarious debacle regarding the Carver theatre car park, at which we had presented our second petition. Note that, our second petition, the first having been somehow forgotten or lost, so that the clerk announced our second petition as our first. It took five years to get resident's car parking in Church Lane. No doubt Cllr Ingham was involved in doing what Cllrs do regarding these matters, but that was her job. As I understand it we went through all the necessary procedures including three collections of signatures in all, and the wheels of bureaucracy turned. So, am I missing something? Oh, and we were promised a 20mph speed limit but we were told the Lib Dem council didn't have the £6k necessary to implement it. 
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: CllrKennyBlair on April 25, 2018, 07:02:05 AM
The thread is going slightly off topic, but before I answer the question on the speed bumps, would just like to clarify a couple of points.

Chris stated the following "I've asked Kenny Blair to chase it several times but he has failed to get back to me." This indicates that I have not responded in any way to your query. You first contacted me on 11th December 2015 asking about why residents had received a questionnaire on Residents Parking. I responded on the 11th Dec with

"I believe the questionnaire you have received is as a result of some work I have been doing with Council Officers since July after an enquiry from a resident in the vicinity. I understand this was consulted on previously with the conclusion that this was not supported. If the residents support this during this consultation, then hopefully the scheme will be implemented."

Chris then contacted me later that day and mentioned the 20mph speed limit. We had various correspondence on the topic of Church Lane in general over the next 9 months and I advised I was chasing Officers on the 20mph speed limit. I was advised by Officers in December 2016 that a report to MAC was coming, but the Officer has since left and I hold my hands up, it dropped off my list.

Related to that, Cllr Geoff Abel has tried to claim Cllr Ingham was involved in the Residents Parking scheme. As Chris has already stated, she was not involved. Residents had put two petitions together, but as I understand it, this was consulted on previously with the conclusion that this was not supported. Shortly after my election in 2015 I was contacted by a resident regarding this issue and I asked Officers to look back into it.  This resulted in a consultation (which is when Chris contacted me the first time asking where it was initiated from) and residents now have the parking scheme. Cllr Ingham had nothing to do with it.

Now to the main topic, the speed humps. I am really surprised that Cllr Abel and his colleagues have taken the stance they have taken. The Lib Dem executive Cllr approved the development of Speed Management measures on Windlehurst Road and Andrew Lane on 6th April 2016. From the 2nd stage consultation, 80% of 346 respondents wanted some form of Speed management measures for Windlehurst Road. (agree with Admins point that they may not have wanted what they now have, but nevertheless there was support for Speed Management). Indeed, members of the Windlehurst Area Living Streets, High Lane Residents Association, Hawk Green Residents Association and others all agreed with the final Council proposals at a meeting in high Lane Village Hall, at which I was the only Cllr present.

Cllr Abel and co should be aware that the Council looked at many alternatives. Their favoured one is average speed cameras. I ask, what representation did they make to Council Officers during the consultation process? The answer is none. In fact Cllr Ingham responded to a resident who queried the speed humps on Windlehurst by saying the following - “All I will add is that I know from experience that the speed humps on Hibbert Lane have worked in reducing the average speed of vehicles and that since they were installed there has not been one accident along that stretch of road, where previously there were quite a few. “
In addition, they seemed happy to highlight the fact “There will be a range of new traffic calming measures for our area including pedestrian crossings on Windlehurst and Buxton Lane.” This was published in Autumn 2016.

In contrast, I challenged Officers on their proposals on 20th July 2016 as they were proposing 15 speed cushions, 5 junction tables and 1 flat top hump.

I proposed - 

The junction tables are maintained, with additional table at Parkside Close. 
The pathway widening is maintained and expanded to the bottom end of Windlehurst Road near Doodfield Stores. 
The flat top hump is maintained.
The 15 speed cushions are removed from the proposal. They are replaced with -
Flat top hump speed cushions are installed on the fastest part of the road at lamppost 36 on Windlehurst Road. Near to Withington Hill Farm, 191 Windlehurst Road, High Lane, Stockport SK6 8AG. Alternatively, a speed camera is installed at this location, which I thought would be a far cheaper option. ( I can provide a copy of that email also if anybody would wish to see it)

As such, I asked for a report by the GM Safety Partnership (who control where Speed Cameras go in GM) into Windlehurst Road to see if we could put Speed Cameras or Average Speed Cameras in place here. If anybody wants to see a copy of that report, they are welcome to email me at cllr.kenny.blair@stockport.gov.uk for a copy. The road did not meet the criteria (I don't agree with the criteria but these are National Guidance) below -
3 Killed or Seriously Injured per km or
In the absence of that, number of slight collisions meets  22/km.

In addition, the approximate cost for a simple entry / exit average speed camera system over 1 mile is £100k. Windlehurst is approx 1.5miles long from Hawk Green Road to A6, so cost approx £150k.

In response to my proposal, Council Officers advised that the guidance is to prefer speed cushions over Speed humps for Bus Services and Emergency Services. Guidance published by TfGM states “Speed cushions are the preferred vertical measure on bus routes. These are best used in small numbers, as part of a combined scheme of traffic calming measures.
Speed tables and raised junctions are acceptable in small numbers at key locations, preferably as part of a combined scheme of traffic calming measures.”
They did however concede on some points and reduced the number of speed cushions.

While all 6 Councillors voted on the speed humps, it was a choice of this or nothing and speeds have reduced on certain parts of the route. I am by no means happy at the size and location of some of the bumps and would be happy to look for alternatives. Given the number of buses has reduced significantly (another issue which we are trying to resolve), I believe it would be sensible to look again at my original proposal which was removing the speed cushions and replacing with full width speed tables at key locations (i.e. on approach down towards Andrew Lane, outside lamppost 36 on Windlehurst Road and install the final table at Doodfield)

Finally, I have seen claims on here about party politics and being whipped to vote in a certain way. I have said many times, I have not been whipped to vote in any way and I am here to represent the residents. I will vote based on the evidence before me. If others are too weak to stand up for their own beliefs or what their residents believe on local issues, then that is their issue.

Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: CllrGeoffAbell on April 25, 2018, 10:44:14 AM
I agree with Kenny in that our job is to do the best for the most residents possible.

A few corrections if I may.

All 6 current councillors accepted officers recommendations, based on a limited consultation exercise along Windlehurst Road, where volume of traffic was the largest worry.  (And plans had to be split at the Marple Area Committee as there was pushback from cllrs and residents.)
@ColinMac  was not one of those 6 and many residents hate the current implementation.  I know as I've talked to them, including at last night's candidate hustings.  (I understand your work commitments prevented it.)  Road tables seem to be less loathed.

We have seen average cameras in action.  They work.  This is new evidence in an evidence-based approach.  They cost £70k per pair to install, however long the stretch, although it's better if there are no junctions in between.  The money goes to the Home Office, at least under current regulations.  The police do the prosecution.  Without pollution, slowing emergency vehicles, noise, damage to cars and people, THEY WORK!  The first scheme was on a main road through a village (much like High Lane) and the average went from 47 mph to 31 mph.   (Whereas a single Speed Indication Device reduced speed by 1 mph only.)  You can visibly see cars slowing with less noise and less accidents in consequence.

Kenny would have been right about fatalities years ago, but there is now a new criterion of "Community Concern" for this sort of installation.  I think this community is concerned!
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: GM on April 25, 2018, 10:55:58 AM
Without getting political, the speed humps are not only a waste of public money.

But also against all common sense, as there is a huge industrial estate at the Goyt Mill and Batesons Trailers further on.

All of which require large amounts of Hgv access, excluding the agricultural traffic with trailers and other equipment!.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: CllrKennyBlair on April 25, 2018, 01:31:27 PM
Thanks Geoff, yes I missed the hustings (which I helped initiate) as I was in Dubai with work. I actually write this as I fly home.

I a, not disputing they work, but my question was, where were your representations (or that of Sue) when you had the chance, not when votes were needed? The costs I received from the Safety Officer at SMBC, not Bedford. (Although I did say they were approx).

As for the new criteria, I have asked the Officer about this but a quick check on the drive safe website (the official website for the Greater Manchester Drive Safe partnership) indicates that areas of community concern only receive mobile enforcement. We had numerous discussions with GMP about mobile enforcement including when we walked the whole length of Windlehurst to Andrew Lane with them. They agreed to some mobile enforcement, but little happened.


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Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: CllrGeoffAbell on April 25, 2018, 07:34:36 PM
Related to that, Cllr Geoff Abel has tried to claim Cllr Ingham was involved in the Residents Parking scheme. As Chris has already stated, she was not involved. Residents had put two petitions together, but as I understand it, this was consulted on previously with the conclusion that this was not supported. Shortly after my election in 2015 I was contacted by a resident regarding this issue and I asked Officers to look back into it.  This resulted in a consultation (which is when Chris contacted me the first time asking where it was initiated from) and residents now have the parking scheme. Cllr Ingham had nothing to do with it.

I am afraid that's not true.  There were 3 applications for resident's parking, and Sue got the third one through by determining the correct area.  Even then, she tells me, there were objections that had to be overcome and compromises to be made.  Others may have made representations, but Sue led it and brought it to fruition.

You know, Kenny, I give you credit where's it's due.  (e.g. Eastwood waiting restriction)  But the best is when we both push for the same thing, such as preventing the 4,000 house overdevelopment in High Lane.
And you are right re average speed cameras - I did not push it originally, but @ColinMac is.  That's why there's achoice in this election.  A resident of High Lane last night said she suggested it over a year ago too.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: CllrKennyBlair on April 25, 2018, 09:14:11 PM
@CllrGeoffAbell I am sorry but I have the emails to the Officer concerned with the residents parking and Cllr Ingham was not involved.

As for the speed cameras, did you read what I wrote? I suggested speed cameras during the consultation as did many residents but when the road was assessed against the criteria it did not qualify. You state there is another criteria of community concern, but at the risk of repeating myself, on checking the drive safe website, this would only result in mobile speed cameras. However, I have asked the Safety Officer to confirm this or otherwise.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: CllrGeoffAbell on April 26, 2018, 09:57:26 AM
Of course I read what you said Kenny.  It's a question of money and interpretation of guidelines, in this case by SMBC officers and also of our own leadership as councillors.  I have advised officers of what they do in Bedford, but obviously I am less active as I am stepping down. 

So if there were "different criteria" would you like to see average speed cameras soon in High Lane?  Given they do cost a bit, not everyone is always for them and they only work on certain stretches of road.  And we need police involvement in the prosecution element.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: jimblob on February 17, 2020, 10:35:03 AM
I see yesterday (Sunday 16th Feb) a Stagecoach bus fell victim to the perilous speed humps on Windehurst just near the Andrews Lane junction. The bus had to be recovered and there's now a healthy gouge in one of the speed tables which will also likely require a repair. When will someone just take a breath, get off their safety high horse and stop building these ridiculous things and use the tarmac for filling in holes rather than creating damaging obstacles that increase air polution, cause noise, cause vehicle damage and restrict the ability of public service vehicles and more importantly emergency vehicles from going about their business. Come on councillors, show us your mettle and instead of endlessly talking about this, admit you got it wrong, that these need to go and DO something about it.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: My login is Henrietta on February 22, 2020, 01:50:55 PM
I see yesterday (Sunday 16th Feb) a Stagecoach bus fell victim to the perilous speed humps on Windehurst just near the Andrews Lane junction. The bus had to be recovered and there's now a healthy gouge in one of the speed tables which will also likely require a repair. When will someone just take a breath, get off their safety high horse and stop building these ridiculous things and use the tarmac for filling in holes rather than creating damaging obstacles that increase air polution, cause noise, cause vehicle damage and restrict the ability of public service vehicles and more importantly emergency vehicles from going about their business. Come on councillors, show us your mettle and instead of endlessly talking about this, admit you got it wrong, that these need to go and DO something about it.
As a driver for over 50 years I have to say that speed bumps are useless. The only drivers who obey them are those who don't need telling. The drivers they are aimed at just carry on speeding over them, obviously not giving a damn until their cars are damaged - and then they whine and try to claim damages. A few widely reported prosecutions and high fines for a first offence and loss of licences for subsequent offences, on the front page of local and national newspapers, would be more of a deterrent. Particularly if names, addresses and photographs are included!
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: jimblob on February 25, 2020, 03:15:47 PM
As a driver for over 50 years I have to say that speed bumps are useless. The only drivers who obey them are those who don't need telling. The drivers they are aimed at just carry on speeding over them, obviously not giving a damn until their cars are damaged - and then they whine and try to claim damages. A few widely reported prosecutions and high fines for a first offence and loss of licences for subsequent offences, on the front page of local and national newspapers, would be more of a deterrent. Particularly if names, addresses and photographs are included!
But all of this requires policing....
That aside, the speed humps on Windlehurst aren't actually designed to reduce speeding, they were specifically installed as "mitigation measures" once the bypass opened. They're there to deter motorists from using this route! How stupid can a highways team actually get than to build a bypass and then suggest that once you leave said bypass, half the routes at the end of it are configured to deter motorists from using them. The net result, everyone uses Dan Bank and Torkington, so there's queueing traffic there every single day, belching out fumes and causing delays!..... Stockport Highways (not mentioning any names... Nick Whelan, Sue Stevenson) need to wake up and smell the coffee so the rest of us don't have to smell diesel fumes.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: Stephen on February 25, 2020, 05:07:12 PM
I do tend agree - I passed my cycling proficiency test many years ago at primary school and even now many years later I still have a bicycle and use it, but to cycle from Marple to the airport, sorry no way (unless it's just to pass a few hours on a Sunday in summer) its much too far and would take too long. I do tend to think that realty needs to dawn on some in the council offices.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: ROTHERS on February 26, 2020, 01:06:00 PM
As a driver for over 50 years I have to say that speed bumps are useless. The only drivers who obey them are those who don't need telling. The drivers they are aimed at just carry on speeding over them, obviously not giving a damn until their cars are damaged - and then they whine and try to claim damages. A few widely reported prosecutions and high fines for a first offence and loss of licences for subsequent offences, on the front page of local and national newspapers, would be more of a deterrent. Particularly if names, addresses and photographs are included!

I have a BMW, i have to crawl over those bumps, typically, i go down the Strines if i have to go A6 South.
I emailed the council on 19th April about the bumps and why not speed camersa instead of bumps..
Reply from Katy Farrer :-
The primary objective of safety camera deployment is to reduce the number of killed and seriously injured persons on roads by reducing the level and severity of speeding and red-light running. Enforcement is targeted at locations where there is evidence of personal injury collisions; where data highlights speed is a contributory factor issue and there is evidence of non-compliance to the posted speed limit.

Windlehurst Road would not meet the criteria for the installation of a speed camera and therefore physical traffic calming measures, as installed, were considered to be the most appropriate method of reducing speeds.
Title: Re: Speedbumps on Windlehurst Road / Hibbert Lane
Post by: jimblob on February 27, 2020, 10:57:05 AM
I have a BMW, i have to crawl over those bumps, typically, i go down the Strines if i have to go A6 South.

Windlehurst Road would not meet the criteria for the installation of a speed camera and therefore physical traffic calming measures, as installed, were considered to be the most appropriate method of reducing speeds.
As I said before, the speedhumps on Windlehurst are not to reduce speed, they're a deliberate deterrent to make people use other routes. So called "Mitigation measures" actually funded with SEMMs bypass money.
Stockport Highways and our consultation process with only local residents for these types of schemes are tantamount  to corruption at worst and at the very least aboslutely useless. Why build a bypass for £270m and then deter motorists from practically getting to it?

Cummon Cllr Macalister, follow through on your pledge to get these removed