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Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: on May 10, 2002, 12:59:24 PM
I have been a resident of Marple now for 3 years after buying my first house here. Whilst I'm glad to have all the outstanding beauty of the surrounding countryside at weekends, I'm becoming increasing dismayed at the decline of central Marple itself - I should know as I'm an SK6 resident. There are several shop units now unoccupied; Hanbury's and those adjacent to the Cinema and I have recently discovered that, on retirement of one of it's Solicitors, the Prickett Partnership are now closing their premises in Marple too.

That's not all, what about nightime facilities? If Mark Whittaker's Marple pub guide is to be believed the Jolly Sailor and Bowling Green public houses are thriving businesses... for building developers maybe!
The nightlife in Marple is only salvaged by 2 or 3 establishments i.e. The Edge Restaurant, Murillo's and the Crown (the later being marred by recent events, stabbings, etc) but generally you'll find more life in Mellor Cemetary
so I'm finding that I increasing have to travel for a decent entertainment.
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: admin on May 10, 2002, 09:27:23 PM
As another SK6 resident I’m very disappointed to hear you think Marple is in decline, Mark. It’s not perfect, and certainly there are a few empty shops, but your perception of the last 3 years is completely at odds with mine. You seem to be suggesting that when you arrived in the town all the shops were occupied and it’s been steadily down hill ever since. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you’d visited Market Street 3 years ago you would have found the top end, near the Pineapple, was virtually derelict. Nearly every shop beyond Howard’s Men’s Wear was closed and boarded up. In less than 3 years this end of the street has been totally revitalised and now every premises has a business of some kind occupying it. Derby Way has also recovered in similar fashion following the failure of several shops in the last few years.

In the same period on Stockport Road near the Post Office there was a shop that was a total disgrace. It was a real eyesore and featured regularly in the letters page of local papers. Today it is a thriving tanning shop, not everyone’s cup of tea, but a major improvement nonetheless.

I accept that the closure of Hanbury’s is a bit of a set back, but if the rumours I hear are true, this will not be a problem for long and could be an improvement. That area of course has had a major face-lift since you moved here with the new paved area on the Hollins. It is also true that there are a number of empty premises near the cinema (how many towns the size of Marple have their own cinema?) but these have been empty for more than three years.

Now, as far as your comments about nightlife and entertainment are concerned, well it’s not Manchester, but to state that The Edge (a new restaurant opened within the last year, so hardly a demonstration of decline! ) Murillo’s and the Crown are the only places to go is ridiculous. It's also interesting to note that it was the retirement of a solicitor which freed up the premises now occupied by The Edge, one of your favorite places! We have many other good places to eat out. The Kineray is as good as any curry house in Rusholme and the Marple House just a few doors away is an excellent Chinese Restaurant. We have a fine Italian in La Romantica and many of our local pubs do very good value food. If you’re a meat eater, give the Lane Ends a try and you won’t be able to fault value for money. The Ringer’s, the George at Compstall, the Hare and Hounds (Dooley Lane and Mill Brow) and the Romper, to name just a few, all do very acceptable food and good beer too.

Incidentally, I would hazard a guess that you wouldn’t have used the Jolly or the Bowler in the last three years, even if you’d been able to. If they had been thriving businesses competing with the places you find acceptable, they wouldn’t have closed.

If you’re pining for some real late nightlife, then Kelly’s nightclub is just on your doorstep. If it keeps my two sprogs  (18 and 20) happy, then it must be pretty good, although I’d prefer a night in Mellor cemetery myself!

Maybe I have simple tastes, but I find I don’t need to go out of Marple for anything except work and I’d do something about that if I could!
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: Iona on May 11, 2002, 10:46:02 AM
I agree whole heartedly with Admin - Marple isn't perfect but the last three years have seen improvements especially with the new 'cafe culture'.

Incidentally if the posters in the window are to be believed the old 'Hanburys' has been bought by 'Peacocks' who, as far as I am aware, are a clothing/ homeware store with outlets nationwide.
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: on May 17, 2002, 12:59:07 PM
Well, I've been told then haven't I?

My complaint is with Marple Town Centre itself not the whole area. Most of your other suggestions I have tried already and enjoyed, and I must say that, for food, the Lane Ends and Sportsman are undiscovered Gems. But these are in the outlying areas and not in Marple.

Last time I visited the Jolly Sailor, well before I moved to Marple, the drinks (?) were awful and there generally appeared to be some affection for drug culture!

I doubt if I'll be attending Kelly's Nightclub. I've been once with my younger Brother but I think at 33 I exceed the maximum age limit.

However, I too have also seen improvements on Market Street, some specialised shops have come and gone as is there nature, and we are fast becoming a Mecca for Fast Tanning. There's even been an attempt at pavement culture (The Cafe Bar), but I still feel there is something missing. Okay, living so close to Marple town centre I wouldn't like to see development on a massive scale like Didsbury, but you only have to visit somewhere similar, like Poynton, to see what a for a little variety can do. The fact is that I believe that the public should be encouraged to visit use Marple for more than just the Co-op.

Incidently, The Edge doesn't occupy the premises vacated by the Prickett Partnership - that's on the other wrong side of the road.

Regards,
ML
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: MCMarky on May 17, 2002, 01:35:30 PM
Another example of social decline…

Burgulary: My Girlfriend’s parents, residents of Rose Hill, were burgled last Wednesday. Although the Police say they can guess who the culprits are, they cannot do anything without evidence and the jewellery stolen will probably be used to fund someone’s drug habit.

Under-aged drinking: has anyone noticed (or been pestered to buy for) the throng of under-aged drinkers hanging around Marple Centre at night. I recently witnessed a bunch of kids, some who looked as young as 12, all gathered around in Memorial Park with several cases of larger, etc.

Am I expected to lie down and assume this is the sign of the times?

ML



Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: Harry on May 17, 2002, 05:06:42 PM
I must agree with MCMarky about the groups of youngsters hanging around during the evening.  I have also noticed how they tend to gravitate towards the off licences, and how one of our off licences appears to sell anything to anyone, with no regard to age.

The younger people tell me these are the 'scallies' (spelling?) of Marple.  It has also been pointed out to me that there is a hierarchy.  The ones low down the pecking order tend to loiter near the Texaco garage, next group near Harlequin, then the Hollins and finally, the scalliest group, in Memorial Park.  It would be quite amusing if it were not so pathetic.

Oh by the way, MCMarky, don't lie down, they will walk all over you.
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: Dave on May 18, 2002, 07:59:16 AM
Kids hanging around in the street: it's disgraceful, shock, horror, it was never like that in my day, we used to curl up in front of the wireless with a mug of cocoa and read Enid Blyton etc etc.

Have we all forgotten what we used to do in the evenings when we were 15: hang out near the off-licence daring each other to go in and ask for a bottle of beer, and shocking passers by with our salty language.  And now we've grown up (?) to be hand-wringing whingers, hanging around on this website wearing woolly cardigans and slippers and bemoaning the state of the world etc.  The kids are called scallies, so maybe there should be a word for the likes of us as well.  What about 'wallies'?   :)
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: Peter on May 18, 2002, 09:38:52 AM
Can't disagree with Dave at all but remember when we used to do it how it wouldn't have been half as inviting if we hadn't had so called 'wallies' moaning at how "it was never like that when we were young". I don't defend the drink culture but surely none of it is new. Thankfully most of these youths will grow to be responsible citizens like, possibly, MacMarky or even Norris (well maybe not).
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: admin on May 18, 2002, 12:15:04 PM
I'm pleased to see that being told didn't put you off signing up to the forum McMarky, welcome!

Quote (Mark Lynch @ May 17 2002,12:59)
Incidently, The Edge doesn't occupy the premises vacated by the Prickett Partnership - that's on the other wrong side of the road.

Regarding the above, The Edge occupies the former offices of solicitor George Cope, who I think had been there since the sixties, maybe longer. He retired a year or two ago.

Your analysis of the Jolly was spot-on, in a nutshell that was why it closed.

With regard to there being something missing, what do you think that is? Personally I'd love to see a heritage centre in a high profile position in the town. If this could be combined with some kind of community centre - like the ideas being put forward for the Jolly in another topic - then even better.

Now then Dave, how is it you could tell that Peter was wearing a woolly cardigan and slippers? :0
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: Osdog on May 18, 2002, 04:25:54 PM
:)

Mark,  Could take umbridge that you seem to think that the Lane Ends is out in the wilds somewhere.............it's not a million miles away you know........
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: on May 26, 2002, 08:26:24 PM
Quote (Peter @ May 18 2002,09:38)
Can't disagree with Dave at all but remember when we used to do it how it wouldn't have been half as inviting if we hadn't had so called 'wallies' moaning at how "it was never like that when we were young". I don't defend the drink culture but surely none of it is new. Thankfully most of these youths will grow to be responsible citizens like, possibly, MacMarky or even Norris (well maybe not).

Well, Peter. I really enjoy a drink myself but I'm not likely to go and smash up the local florist am I? Perhaps you would like to take resposibility for the actions for the small number of youths that seem so intent on wrecking the place for the rest of us Marple residents.

By the way, In my youth I was involved with a couple of local bands and followed the Punk movement. You're right, perhaps we should forgive the local youth for their exuberance but breaking the law is one step too far!
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: Peter on May 27, 2002, 05:48:36 PM
I was certainly not trying to defend vandalism or the causing of damage to property, my comments were about drinking underage and being a bit verbally rowdy. My personal views work along the lines of the "3 strikes and you're shot" theory and if you are looking for someone to pull the trigger then I don't think I'd be alone in volunteering for that job.
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: MCMarky on May 28, 2002, 12:46:35 PM
So it seems I'm not alone in my views. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I agree, there are loads of great things going for Marple - It's certainly better than more deprived areas I could mention - but as usual, the minority (or big business) appear to ruin it for the rest of us.

Lets hope that the Magic Pub Company (or whatever they're called) don't make any more of our local pubs dissappear. Do we really need any more nursing homes or high-priced property?

M
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: Howard on June 10, 2002, 02:37:30 PM
The vandals have stuck again. Saturday night/Sunday morning I found my car's wing mirror broken off. I though it had been clipped by another car until I saw my neighbour's car with the passenger door caved in and also with a smashed mirror. The next car down too. It seems all the cars on Leigh Avenue had been damaged in similar ways. The police have told us that there were bus stops smashed in, cars damaged on Church Lane and then ours along Leigh Avenue. A kind of sick "follow-the-signs".

It seems that all the much vaunted CCTV cameras have done is drive the vandals off the main streets onto side streets. :angry:

We really are starting to have a problem with vandalism in Marple - but I'm at a loss to see what we can do to stop it - particularly as this appears to have taken place around 4am Sunday morning.
Title: Decline of Marple
Post by: MCMarky on June 11, 2002, 04:57:21 PM
They'll get a kick up the #### if they come down my Street smashing cars and windows.

The phonebox next to the Texaco Garage and right under the nose of the newest CCTV camera, opposite the Jolly(?) Sailor, has also had all it's windows smashed.  :angry:
Title: Re: Decline of Marple
Post by: MCMarky on February 25, 2009, 09:00:04 PM
Hi,

I take it all back. Just moved back to Marple after 4 years living a pointless existence in Poynton. (HOORAY!).  Celebrated a bit too hard and fell asleep in the Ringers.  Sorry everyone.

M
Title: Re: Decline of Marple
Post by: Dave on February 26, 2009, 01:11:54 AM
So the grass isn't greener on the other side after all............   ;)

Thanks for resurrecting this historic thread, Mc Marky.  It's interesting to reflect on the issues raised in it, nearly seven years later.  Have things got better or worse since 2002?

Let's be honest though, how many of us miss the Jolly Sailor or the Bowler?  ::)
Title: Re: Decline of Marple
Post by: nbt on February 26, 2009, 10:18:14 AM
Let's be honest though, how many of us miss the Jolly Sailor or the Bowler?  ::)


Welll they'd both closed before I moved to Marple so I've never visited either - but as I've mentioned below, I do miss being able to get a pint that isn't Robbies!
Title: Re: Decline of Marple
Post by: Dave on February 26, 2009, 01:00:07 PM
I do miss being able to get a pint that isn't Robbies!

I sympathise, although I do like Robbies myself.  But you don't have to venture far for a choice: the excellent Sportsman (Strines), the Hare and Hounds (Dooley Lane), the Lane Ends (Glossop Road) and the Springers (Compstall Road) are all Robbies-free zones.  So is the Romper, but I can't afford their beer.  And then in Marple Bridge there's the Norfolk, and the Midland, but I can't comment on those either as I'm too old for the former and too poor for the latter............  ;D