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Tricky

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Re: Cycling proficiency
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2009, 05:04:57 PM »
Finally, because I too could go on for ages. Rover says “Yes I hate cyclists”.  Change the word cyclists to -say Pakistanis - and Rover might find himself up against the Race Relations Board.

oh dear.. it was going quite well until then.



Perhaps you should form the  "Bicycle Race Relations Board"
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2009, 03:50:40 PM »
Oh dear, once again a fellow cyclist has effectively asked me to reply to Rover’s letter. Why me, is it because practically all cyclists know that Society in general ignores cyclists’ needs, resulting in many modern bicycle riders ignoring Society’s demands, and I am one of the few who is foolish enough to hope things will eventually change?

First let me say I, and many cyclists do not condone the behaviour of some bicycle riders. It is a pity we cannot differentiate between the two. Rover suggests that all bicycle riders should take a test etc. but we all know that the Driving Test etc does not turn someone behind the wheel into a law abiding courteous, competent driver, even if they have insurance etc. which many don’t.

He says a rider was riding down the middle of his side of the road ignoring an Ambulance that wanted to get past. Could there be a reason for this? First let’s take the middle of the road bit. The Highway Code says “Leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path”.  Is it possible the cyclist was simply following the Highway Code? At other times it is often necessary for your own safety to take up a commanding position on the road so that incompetent or inconsiderate motorists are not tempted to squeeze past in a dangerous fashion. Next, is it not possible that the cyclist was deaf? As cyclists we frequently have to consider this when pedestrians, particularly dog walkers using long leads stray across our path. I find it difficult to believe the cyclist was just being inconsiderate, but some motorists behave the same and we are all human beings.

Rover complains about cyclists ignoring Red Lights, I wonder why some crossings have cameras to catch motorists doing exactly the same thing, but I guess Rover isn’t aware of that. Cyclists shouldn’t run Red Lights but it is not unusual for the traffic light sequence to be such that a cyclist setting off when the lights are green for him that the opposing lights have changed to green before he has had time to clear the crossing.

“Cyclists should look behind them” Cyclists have to look forward to judge likely changes to traffic conditions, sideways to see what the motorist who is too close alongside them is likely to do, behind them to see what the following motorist is likely to do, and down to try to avoid the innumerable pot-holes etc that are a hazard on our roads. I suggest Rover tries it. Get one wrong and you get hurt. The motorist encased in a crumple designed vehicle and secured by seat belt has nowhere near the same self preservation rules to follow. Furthermore Rover says the cyclists should stop and wait until there is a gap before they pull out. What an absolutely selfish attitude. Why should cyclists have to wait for motorists, are they so more important? And don’t let’s start the “I pay my road tax” nonsense. How about giving the cyclists a bit of space?

Finally, because I too could go on for ages. Rover says “Yes I hate cyclists”.  Change the word cyclists to -say Pakistanis - and Rover might find himself up against the Race Relations Board. Regrettably Cyclists do not have such a champion. I am sure he doesn’t really mean it. Is it just possible that he is jealous that commuting cyclists can frequently be quicker over their journey than congestion enraged motorists?


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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2009, 12:58:35 PM »
I was driving home from work in Stockport yesterday evening and there was an Ambulance heading in the opposite direction, sirens, flashing lights and eventually lots of car drivers honking their horns. Why? There was a cyclist with all of the gear, lights, clothes etc riding down the middle of his side of the road preventing the Ambulance from passing, all he had to do was stop his bike and get off to let the Ambulance pass. Even with all the car drivers having pulled their cars over on the same side of the road as myself there was not enough room to drive round this cyclist and you wonder why car drivers hate these arogant cyclists. Ban them all unless they have insurance (not car insurance but Public Liability), pass a test, have an MOT on their bikes each year and pay road tax to ride the bike.
Yes I hate cyclists, having had so many run-ins with various ones over the years, going through red lights (even ones with all of the gear on), pulling out in front of you without looking behind to see if it is safe to do, I have yet to see a cyclist look behind, stop and wait for a gap to pull out. I am going to stop now as I could go on for hours.

wolfman

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Re: Cycling proficiency
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2009, 10:18:51 AM »
Children are encouraged to bring in their bikes to learn how to use their cycles safely.
Children are taught balance and manoeuvring skills in a safe and fun environment.

Children are not excluded from this training if they are without a cycle as the trainer has 4 bikes and cycle helmets for loan free of charge.

Children with disabilities are also encouraged to bring cycles as the course can easily be adapted to include them.

For further information contact
Traffic Services
Hygarth House, 104 Wellington Road South, Stockport. SK1 3TT
Tel. No. 0161-474-4866
Fax. 0161-474-4833
Email. rosie.fearon@stockport.gov.uk

Traffic Services, Road Safety Team, Hygarth House, 103 Wellington Road South, Stockport, SK1 3TT
Tel. No. 0845 833 4444
Fax. 0161 474 4833
Email. traffic.services@stockport.gov.uk

andy+kirsty

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2009, 10:21:45 AM »
it was a sweeping generalisation. dont take offence.

I have a fast car therefor i can pull out infront of you, race past you and then turn left across you. pull up outside schools and drop little billy off. stop outside the newsagents and stick the hazzards on and no one will mind. the list is endless, as is the list of marques and models, however stereotypes are there for a reason. maybe as my ride takes me through bramhall and cheadle the BMW density is much higher.

(my wife drives one too)

Susan

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2009, 07:31:49 AM »
 
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I have an array of lights, both front and back and a hi viz reflective cycling jacket, and still idiots in BMW & Audis dont appear to see you!

Andy, Why is it only BMW and Audis that dont see.... as a driver of a bmw i can say that say i do watch for bikes aswell has motorbikes. I also think you have aproblem with these if they are the only cars that dont see because i have seen other makes and models of cars more likely to be young drivers in them that dont see where they are going and try and run people of the road.

nbt

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Re: Cycling proficiency
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 02:46:29 PM »
Cycle Lanes are a typical example of how this Council caters for cyclists.

I have attended the Stockport CUG meetings and although I have respect for Don Naylor the cycling officer, I do not envy his task. In my view, the main thrust of cycle lanes both in Stockport and in the wider area seems to be to get cyclists out of the way of cars so that traffic is not inconvenienced, rather than to make the journey safer for the average cyclist. I would agree with your points above about the wisdom of encouraging nervous cyclists onto the road - I have advised more than one person at work NOT to cycle until they feel more confident for that very reason
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 01:49:49 PM »
We seem to have drifted away from the original question concerning Cycling Proficiency. I believe the Council has some interest in this. However my personal view is that I would not offer to become a Cycling Proficiency Advisor until the Council does much more to make cycling safer within the Borough, and the Government takes similar steps Nationwide. Although one argument is that more cyclists on the road would result in better behaviour both from motorists and indeed many current cyclists, the possibility of being held responsible for actively encouraging cyclists out onto our roads is something I cannot do at present. If asked for my advice then I will give my views on how to survive our traffic conditions - I do cycle there myself -, but the decision to take to the road has to be that of the individual.

Cycle Lanes are a typical example of how this Council caters for cyclists. The recommended width of a cycle lane is 2 metres, with 1.5 metres as an absolute minimum in exceptional circumstances. It is only in the last year or so, after years of pressure from local cyclists, that this Council has started to recognise this. There is still the assumption that although Advisory Cycle Lanes may be used for parking cars, motorists will not drive into them if a road is considered too narrow for a cycle lane. The cycle lane then stops and presumably the cyclist disappears in a puff of smoke. Is it small wonder some take to the pavements.

Until cycling is recognised as an equal partner in our transport system we shall never be in a situation to really encourage more people to cycle on our roads.

andy+kirsty

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 10:37:00 AM »

wolfman

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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 10:05:50 AM »
There are two types of cycle lanes that can be introduced by local highway authorities, mandatory cycle lanes and advisory cycle lanes.  Both types attempt to create space for cyclists and improve their safety.
Mandatory cycle lanes are created by way of a local traffic regulation order.  They are marked by a solid white line and signed to warn all road users the lane is available for cyclists only.  It is an offence for other vehicles to enter the lane during the hours of operation.  Some lanes only operate during peak hours and are signed accordingly. 
Advisory lanes are sometimes also used to create space when a road is either too narrow or too heavily trafficked to provide a mandatory cycle lane.  Advisory lanes are indicated by broken white lines, are usually narrower than mandatory lanes and no offence is created when other vehicles enter them. 
The use of cycle lanes is not compulsory for cyclists.  They can choose to ignore them and use the remainder of the carriageway if they prefer to do so. 
There is a great deal of published advice available to local authorities on the design and use of cycle lanes.  We also advise authorities to also introduce parking restrictions in cycle lanes to prohibit cars parking in them.  Source of information
http://www.number10.gov.uk/page10784

Dave

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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2009, 05:00:33 PM »
Agreed.  It's the sheer aggression towards pedestrians that you often see in London which really alarms me. This case which hit the news was, sadly, not untypical - I have witnessed cyclists heading straight at pedestrians shouting 'out of the way'!   >:(

andy+kirsty

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2009, 11:09:19 AM »
as a cycle-commuter, sometimes taking a more primary and agressive stance towards road users is just matter of self preservation. i'm not excusing bad behaviour nor the chap in the link above, but how many drivers do you see in the green boxes at traffic lights? how many with two wheels in the cycle lanes, forcing cyclists into the gutter?

I have an array of lights, both front and back and a hi viz reflective cycling jacket, and still idiots in BMW & Audis dont appear to see you!

london and the SE is much much more congested than up here and there are thousands more cyclists, but other road users are used to them, up here im lucky if i see anyone else on my route.

i did my cycling proficency in in primary school, but pootling around on walton drive is a far cry from the A6 at 8am!

Dave

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2009, 10:30:45 AM »
Aggressive urban cyclists (usually male) seem to be a particular problem in London and the south-east.  They ride at high speed through traffic with an alarming lack of regard for their own or anyone else's safety.

Remember this case six months ago, when a cyclist deliberately ran a girl down on his bike and killed her, and, amazingly, got away with a fine.   :(

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=210995&in_page_id=34&in_a_source=

nbt

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Re: Cycling proficiency
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 08:57:12 AM »
Yes it does

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_Proficiency_Test

I have a couple of friends who work as cycle instructors in local schools and businesses. Remember that cycle safety applies to adults as well as kids - as  cyclist I'm often annoyed and sometimes horrified at the attitude displayed by other people on bikes when it comes to "nuisances" such as red lights
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wolfman

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Cycling proficiency
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2009, 03:27:15 PM »
Does the cycling proficiency scheme still exist?