Tesco / ASDA !!!

[Dave]

Hey Dave YPLA is going !  

Yes, quangos don't last long nowadays.  Not sure when the EFA takes over, but the guy who runs the YPLA will be running the new EFA, so it will be business as usual - just a new sign over the door!
 

So how do you fit two campus in one when the college can only build on certain areas one being the car park ?   

I've explained this to you several times, Miss M, and I'm not going to do it again.  However, I am puzzled by your suggestion that the college can 'only build on certain areas one being the car park'.  I know I'm only a guy with 'lesser insight', but where do those of you blessed with 'greater insight' folks get that from?

[Miss Marple]

Hey I forgot to say !  Three Governors who have stood down feel that Ms Cassidy and co have been mis guided by the supermarkets consultants , so the news letter may not be that far off the mark.    Asda have mis guided the college if ex governors are to be believed and they will continue to lead them up the garden path until they acquire the land

Hey Dave YPLA is going !  Bet you didn't know that ?  Lol  

[Miss Marple]

Hey HWL I am not distancing myself from the Newsletter !  I am just saying that I didn't write it, if I had I can assure you it would say far worse.  I will find out who you can write to, sad but we haven't got a PO box number yet, but hey it's early days !  
Now what about answering the question of future education for all children in Marple if we continue loosing education sites.  Now I don't know what school you and Dave went to ? But when I was at school 2 into 1 didn't go !  So how do you fit two campus in one when the college can only build on certain areas one being the car park ?   Are you both up to speed on this matter or do you just like talking the talk.   Shall the three of us meet and have a pace out of the land ?  Maybe I am wrong ? But I don't think so !

[HWL1973]

Also, from very recent experience there is more than enough slack in primary school provision in Marple to accommodate new houses being built (not that that is economically viable under current and near future economic conditions). I was directly affected by the Rose Hill school thing and challenged many of the assumptions but it was clear that the council had actually done their homework. But this is all off topic anyway.

As for the college closing and/or Asda closing Marple's schools, this is baseless nonsense. If I had donated my hard earned to MIA I would be incensed that it was being used to propogate such counter productive rubbish and would be seeking to find out who exactly these people are who are behind it.

[HWL1973]

Well hello boys !  I have not been changing the subject or avoiding the issue re the MIA newsletter !  but this  may come as a great disappointment to you both, but the fact is I have nothing to do with the newsletter.   What I want although is to remind you both of,  is members of MIA are working daily on the supermarket issue so to them the newsletter is factual and does not scaremonger due to a greater insight they have around the issue
About the primary schools which have closed and the growing population of MARPLE.  I am speaking about all the new housing developments that have been, are going to be and in the process of being built.  For example, the huge Strines development, The Cross Lane development, Dale School site and the Peacefield site just to name a few.   All built as family homes so one would assume that families will move in so over to you two Working Class Hero's !  Where are we going to educate children in MARPLE ! It's simple to me !  We keep building housing developments, people move in with children, those children need educating, super school full, where do the children go to school ?   It's not Rocket Science !  Same goes for CAMSFC 68% of students are from Marple !  Close a college where are all the additional children who's families purchase property in Marple going to go ?    Now theres your starter for 10 lads !

OK, so who would one contact in relation to the newsletter if not yourself MM?

[Dave]

members of MIA are working daily on the supermarket issue so to them the newsletter is factual and does not scaremonger due to a greater insight they have around the issue

I'm pleased to learn you didn't draft that model letter, Miss M, because it's nonsense!  If whoever wrote it has 'greater insight' than the rest of us, then God help the rest of us!   

Mind you, almost anyone ought to have greater insight than this: 

Close a college where are all the additional children who's families purchase property in Marple going to go ? 

I may have 'lesser insight', but I do know one thing - the college is not closing! 

[Miss Marple]

Well hello boys !  I have not been changing the subject or avoiding the issue re the MIA newsletter !  but this  may come as a great disappointment to you both, but the fact is I have nothing to do with the newsletter.   What I want although is to remind you both of,  is members of MIA are working daily on the supermarket issue so to them the newsletter is factual and does not scaremonger due to a greater insight they have around the issue
About the primary schools which have closed and the growing population of MARPLE.  I am speaking about all the new housing developments that have been, are going to be and in the process of being built.  For example, the huge Strines development, The Cross Lane development, Dale School site and the Peacefield site just to name a few.   All built as family homes so one would assume that families will move in so over to you two Working Class Hero's !  Where are we going to educate children in MARPLE ! It's simple to me !  We keep building housing developments, people move in with children, those children need educating, super school full, where do the children go to school ?   It's not Rocket Science !  Same goes for CAMSFC 68% of students are from Marple !  Close a college where are all the additional children who's families purchase property in Marple going to go ?    Now theres your starter for 10 lads !

[HWL1973]

Good to see that the question on the appalling misinformation put out in the letter on the latest MIA newsletter has been avoided and the subject changed.

I take it that this is at least an implicit or tacit acceptance that it is a very unhelpful and ultimately self defeating way for MIA to communicate their message.

Will there be a disclaimer or apology in the next newsletter?

[Dave]

What's going to happen to our primary school children when MARPLE develops further ?  Where are they going to go to school ?  It's a complete madness to loose education facilities when we have a growing population in Marple

Getting off-topic here, Miss M.  I don't know what your source is for the claim that the local population is growing, but as far as the number of school-age children is concerned, that has been falling for a while now. Hence the closure of Offerton High, and the primary school reorganisation in west Marple.

Have a look at the introduction section of this document: http://interactive.stockport.gov.uk/edrms/onlinemvm/getimage.asp?DocumentNumber=135236.  As you see, The Dale and Peacefield have been operating with more than 25% surplus places.  Far from being 'complete madness', that is unsustainable, especially in these straightened times.   

And as Miss M rightly suggests, the camsfc proposals are not entirely unrelated.  She writes that:

...if you really believe that Hibbert Lane facilities will fit into Buxton Lane then You must both be crazy

...but as we know from the much-read camsfc estates committee minutes of June last year, the Hibbert Lane campus was deemed to be too big for the curriculum offered.  And as I have pointed out before, a new purpose-built building will inevitably be more space-efficient than a converted former school.  With a budget of c £12 million (more if they top it up with a bit of borrowing) the college can be confident of building the replacement space they need at Buxton Lane.  And the expensive consultants Miss M keeps complaining about will have done the number crunching on that, you can be sure! 

[Miss Marple]

Quote from: Miss Marple on Yesterday at 08:55:45 PM
One last question Dave & HWL if we have a growing population do you think it's morally acceptable for 500 + children to be put in a super school with limited parking and the rest when they could have had Hibbert Lane with all that parking, open space away from a main road ?



I didn't see you campaigning against the new school!!!!

Now this may come as a little bit of a surprise to you but I didn't know anything about it until it was being built.  I was aware that Peacefield (my old school ) was being demolished but I never in my wildest dreams thought that they would build that monstrosity and cram as many children as possible into
such a space.  
What's going to happen to our primary school children when MARPLE develops further ?  Where are they going to go to school ?  It's a complete madness to loose education facilities when we have a growing population in Marple and that goes for the Hibbert Lane site also.  Only a fool would dispose of their greatest asset any business person would tell you that ! 
I do hope all the children at the super school will be happy because guess what ? Theres no going back !

[Miss Marple]

Oh dear wrong again Dave ! CAMSFC applied for funding from LSC to improve Hibbert Lane campus.  I know Dave Miss Cassidy and Mr Hubert told me at the meeting I had with them and it's recorded in their Min's   I no you think I am being cheeky but that is not my intention but I really do feel that you shoot from the hip with out the correct information which is available for all to see 

[Steptoe and Son]

Dave, I've just noticed your strapline  - 'Standing up for education in Marple'.  Can you send me some of your campaign material or direct me to your website please?

[Razzle]

Quote from: Miss Marple on Yesterday at 08:55:45 PM
One last question Dave & HWL if we have a growing population do you think it's morally acceptable for 500 + children to be put in a super school with limited parking and the rest when they could have had Hibbert Lane with all that parking, open space away from a main road ?



I didn't see you campaigning against the new school!!!!

[Dave]

The college was in talks with supermarkets well before they applied to the learning skills council !  

Whoever said they weren't?   How could they have put a costed proposal to the funding council without a retail valuation for the site? 

Oh nearly forgot it was Miss Cassidy and Co who went to the supermarkets offering the land ,not the other way round.

Of course it was.  That exactly my point - as we all know, the college took the initiative to sell to a supermarket.  It's MIA's  draft letter to Asda that seems to imply it was 'the other way round': that Asda is taking the initiative, and that a 'school' will close as a consequence.  Utterly confused and confusing.   

One last question Dave & HWL if we have a growing population do you think it's morally acceptable for 500 + children to be put in a super school with limited parking and the rest when they could have had Hibbert Lane with all that parking, open space away from a main road ?

What a great use for council-taxpayers' money: pay £12 million to buy a site for a new school when the council already owns a suitable site elsewhere!   

[Miss Marple]

Oh nearly forgot it was Miss Cassidy and Co who went to the supermarkets offering the land ,not the other way round.   One last question Dave & HWL if we have a growing population do you think it's morally acceptable for 500 + children to be put in a super school with limited parking and the rest when they could have had Hibbert Lane with all that parking, open space away from a main road ?   What's going to happen to the future of Marple's education facilities if we all just sit back and watch them close.  We have already lost 3 primary schools and if you really believe that Hibbert Lane facilities will fit into Buxton Lane then You must both be crazy and all for the sake of 2p off a can of beans.