Tesco / ASDA !!!

[amazon]

Awh Amazon !  That's nasty !  If your going to call me get it right !  You forgot Seventeen Windows 

          I Have voted against it on your poll 

[Miss Marple]

I know what your saying Dave but I was speaking to a friend today who lives near a large supermarket (coop is a baby in comparison ) she didn't understand what all the fuss was about, she says that she works odd hours and last night at 1am  did a 'one stop shop' and purchased everything she needed including paint, knitting wool , food , and all her holiday clothes and suit cases and even a book for the journey she thinks it's great ! But sadly she knows no different ! But having said that there is nowhere else for her to shop as the small shops have all gone and her shopping precinct is mainly charity shops   She thinks it's great when she visits me I have to pull her away from all the small specialist shops in Marple she's like a child in a sweet factory   I hope my grandchildren have the opportunity of choosing/ordering a book from a book shop, sitting in the street in the sunshine having a coffee, choosing a pen from a stationary shop or a special card, using their pocket Money to go into a toy shop and buy a little something, going into a record shop and choosing a CD , then calling in for some fish and chips. And being able to go into a local baker and purchase true FRESH bread not some concoction that's been re heated   All fantastic stuff that we take for granted and have enjoyed I am sure for many years  So I say long may it continue !  

[Dave]

Amazon wrote: 

Theres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing

That may be the case in Glossop which has a strong set of well known and independent shops. People travel for miles for instance to use Mettricks the Butchers. Alternatively you could point to Whaley Bridge and the Tesco effect there. It is also possible that the Whaley bridge Tesco has impacted on New Mills which will shortly have tumbleweeds blowing down the road!! The number of shop closures in New Mills is gathering pace and I for one cannot see a way back for it.

A very good point, and a reminder of the subtle and unpredictable nature of the supermarket effect.   It is assumed by many on this thread that a big supermarket can only have a detrimental effect on local businesses.  It would certainly have an effect, but the effect in some cases may be positive.  The Hibbert Lane site of camsfc is a very short walk from Market Street - closer, for example, than the Whaley Bridge Tesco is to the local shops there. I can see people driving to a big supermarket in Hibbert Lane, parking for free, hitting the supermarket and then walking down to visit specific local shops and/or cafes.

It's the Co-op that needs to worry about this, of course. 

[moorendman]

Amazon wrote: 

Theres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing

That may be the case in Glossop which has a strong set of well known and independent shops. People travel for miles for instance to use Mettricks the Butchers. Alternatively you could point to Whaley Bridge and the Tesco effect there. It is also possible that the Whaley bridge Tesco has impacted on New Mills which will shortly have tumbleweeds blowing down the road!! The number of shop closures in New Mills is gathering pace and I for one cannot see a way back for it.

[admin]

Further to my last post, the college advises me that the Estates Committe no longer meets.  Such activities now fall under the remit of the Finance + General Committee.  Which is published, the brief section on property development is pasted below.

14 STRATEGIC PROPERTY DEVELOPMENTS
CCY reported that a meeting was planned in the near future with the Chief Executive of the Local Authority. This would lead to a greater crystalisation of the options.  Principalship  confirmed that following this it  would be in a position to deliver a firm presentation  with a clear and financially sustainable option for progress to the upcoming strategic planning meeting with Governors and senior managers. The Acting Chair reminded the Principalship of the importance to the Governors of seeing a way forward that was realistic and affordable

The meeting referred to with the LA CE is very important and it's possible that the college have held off publishing these minute until after it has taken place. I would suggest campaigners try to find out if this meeting has occurred. If it hasn't there is an opportunity to make the council's CE aware of the community's objections and remind him of the first 10 minutes of the Dispatches programme. If it has occurred then maybe a record of it can be obtained via the council using the FOI act.

[Miss Marple]

Awh Amazon !  That's nasty !  If your going to call me get it right !  You forgot Seventeen Windows 

[Duke Fame]

Miss Marple, you seem to assume that the MBF is against the prospect of a new Tesco, but surely there are some members within that grouping who support the idea.

I fully support the idea of a new supermarket. Jobs will be created, and more people will come to Marple.

               Theres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing   there three  supermarkets in the grove asda sainsburys marks sparks not a ghost town for shops there .miss marple would apear to be against change in marple we had [ seventeen windows still waiting for reply back from i think mr stunnel on this ] Dan bank fantastic improve ment and now tesco . . o yes the wall on strines that was built and just finished a few months ago .i think miss marple had a go at that to .     

There is a little bit of crying wolf by miss m but i do think the antis have a point here.

True hazel grove has aldi m&s sains and asda. That said, i dont see any independant food shops tbough and it is generally tAtty although i confess not reAlly knowing what is was like before the sains opened.

My issue with a large supermarket is really the effect on existing traders. A tesco will benefit from free parking, cheap rates and economies of scale. It will also shift the emphasis of the shopping area away from the precinct. The coop does have an unfair advantage but its still part of the existing shopping area.

[NeilCorrie]

Further to my last post, the college advises me that the Estates Committe no longer meets.  Such activities now fall under the remit of the Finance + General Committee.  Which is published, the brief section on property development is pasted below.

14 STRATEGIC PROPERTY DEVELOPMENTS
CCY reported that a meeting was planned in the near future with the Chief Executive of the Local Authority. This would lead to a greater crystalisation of the options.  Principalship  confirmed that following this it  would be in a position to deliver a firm presentation  with a clear and financially sustainable option for progress to the upcoming strategic planning meeting with Governors and senior managers. The Acting Chair reminded the Principalship of the importance to the Governors of seeing a way forward that was realistic and affordable

[NeilCorrie]

I see that minutes for each of the Cheadle+Marple Sixth Form College Corporation and Committee meetings have been published today.
http://www.camsfc.ac.uk/cmsfc-about.asp?AboID=47

The only committee whose minutes are not published are those of the Estates Committee.  Most curious.  Regular readers of this forum will remember how the last Estates Committee set of minutes were of particular interest.

STRATEGIC PROPERTY DEVELOPMENTS
ESTATES STRATEGY
A meeting of Finance & General Committee was convened to run concurrently with that of Estates Committee whilst the Estates Strategy was presented, see highlights below.

Stephen Coulthard (Project Manager Turner & Townsend Consultants), Peter Scarborough (Bond Bryant Architects) and Mark Krassowski (Walsingham Planning) joined the meeting and delivered a presentation on the Estates Strategy (copy of Estates Strategy Final Presentation circulated for information – confidential on grounds of commercial sensitivity).

Governors had already received a pack containing the full Property Strategy from Turner and Townsend and a Report from Walsingham Planning (both deemed confidential on grounds of commercial sensitivity). SCD took Governors through the presentation, initially covering the funding led approach and the space needs for each campus. PSH and MKI contributed in their particular areas. The Cheadle campus was approximately the right size, but the Marple campus was oversized for the curriculum delivered. In terms of the suitability and condition of the existing accommodation, the 2000 build at Cheadle was best, followed by Buxton Lane, then the remainder of the Cheadle campus, with the worst being Hibbert Lane.

And please, let's not forget Turner+Townsend Consultant's speciality : Tesco - store development programme.

[Johnnyboy]

All I'm trying to get across to my fellow forumite's is that you cannot really grasp the problems and negative issues which go hand in hand with a large store like Tesco opening in a rural setting. I previously lived near a tesco store and the noise from lorries re-supplying the store 24hours a day and general disruption in the area was unbearable. Coupled along with the fact that my property devalued and my travel time to work almost doubled, and the fact is that I didn't even live in the immediate vicinity. So I would simply say to all my fellow forumites to take heed.  

[Johnnyboy]

Post overwritten. Please do not take such an aggressive tone with other users or you'll get yourself banned. Admin.

[amazon]

Miss Marple, you seem to assume that the MBF is against the prospect of a new Tesco, but surely there are some members within that grouping who support the idea.

I fully support the idea of a new supermarket. Jobs will be created, and more people will come to Marple.

               Theres a tesco in Glossop and a coop. the shops on the high street dont seem to be closing   there three  supermarkets in the grove asda sainsburys marks sparks not a ghost town for shops there .miss marple would apear to be against change in marple we had [ seventeen windows still waiting for reply back from i think mr stunnel on this ] Dan bank fantastic improve ment and now tesco . . o yes the wall on strines that was built and just finished a few months ago .i think miss marple had a go at that to .     

[Miss Marple]

There is already a supermarket giant in Marple. Its called the Co-op. They probably sell more meat than the two local butchers and more veg than the local greengrocers.

The coop was in Marple even before my favourite shops !   Now if you think the coop is a supermarket giant   Harry !  In the words of the great song !   " You Ain't Seen Nothing yet  b b b BABY "

[Harry]

There is already a supermarket giant in Marple. Its called the Co-op. They probably sell more meat than the two local butchers and more veg than the local greengrocers.

[Miss Marple]

Each time I visit this topic I see at least 6 or 7 guests viewing the Tosca topic.  Can I ask if you would register on the forum and enter in to the debate if Tosca coming to Marple will effect you or if you have tried to stop Tosca moving into your area and failed or succeeded.  Your views, help, advice, guidance support (for or against ) would be very welcome.  So please become part of the debate We need you !!

            If the coop were to build a larger supermarket on that site would one or two of you still want to object

Yes ! Even if they offered me twice the divvy !    It's about change in the infer structure , additional traffic, loss of small shops, where else could I get a wimberry tart from if Archers were forced to close.  I'm a veggie but Marple without Littlewoods !  UNTHINKABLE  .  If you want it in the Bridge it's yours !  Hey the slogan maybe.    TAKE IT TO THE BRIDGE