Tesco / ASDA !!!

[Carl Rydings]

Annette Finnie (Marple North) Response to Carl Rydings (Marple South) over Supermarket Survey:

"We got about 50 responses to the Survey of which 17 expressed support for a super market somewhere in competition with the Co-oP.
I must stress that there are some who are opposed to Hibbert Lane but want another supermarket somewhere in Marple, such as myself.

We therefore appear in both camps. Hence the dispute on numbers. The Co-op is expensive and does not serve large families well.
These are small numbers, but reflect my experience talking to people locally.

The ones who support the supermarket idea think it will happen."

I agree with Annette that another supermarket in the area will be good competition, but i feel Hibbert Lane is not the right place.

[Belly]

What will be your deciding factor Belly !  I hope those plans never get to the table ? Hopefully by then we will have an independent councillor batting for Marple and it's community

I'm not sure to be honest. My gut feeling is not to prescribe to the general 'fear of the dark' regarding a supermarket's impact on the town centre, at least not if it wer to be of an appropriate size. Speaking from a personal perspective, a decent store in Marple would probably get me to use the town centre more regularly, as at the moment I travel out of the town weekly for my big shop (indeed, I'll be off on such a trip in 5 minutes time!). I'm also yet to be convinced of the traffic chaos that all predict - thats more from a professional perspective and again depends on the store size proposed. I want to see the nuts and bolts of what is being put forward. I many respects in traffic terms HL is a better site that Chadwick Street.

I appreciate the immediate resident's concerns about impact on their lives and I have sympathy for that, but my view, to a degree, is that 'life moves on' and if we are to have 'progress' in life, it sometimes has an effect on people. Finding the balance between serving the community and the impact on the individual is one of the key remits of the of planning system. Now I appreciate 'progess' and 'superstore' are perhaps mutually exclusive terms, but re-development of the HL campus will have impacts on neighbours whatever the proposals and I suspect that in order for the College to flourish, redevelopment will take place in some form or another eventually. I don't want to frustrate the evolution of Marple as a modern place to live.

So, I am still definitely a fence sitter at the momen I'm afraid. I'm always wary of a knee jerk reaction to say no to things that are new, but I am definitely wary of what the proposals may mean for the town. For now, I wish to guage the intensity of development proposed and come a conclusion on the extent of impact. To do that I need to see a scheme. Until then I want to contribute to the debate, to see both side of the argument and make my mind up. Rest assured I will be carrying out my own personal audit of any Transport Assessment submitted for the scheme. I also know that the SMBC highways officer will do a very thorough job - we've jousted on other development schemes across the Borough many times in the past!

[Dave]

No-one has disputed your 'right to free speech' Miss M - just your right to prevent a planning application 'getting to the table'.
Meanwhile, I see from the Latest News thread that our MP has been exercising his right to free speech on this matter. He assures us that he wants our college to 'prosper and flourish', and yet he is devoid of any other ideas as to how they might achieve the much-needed improvements which the college is proposing. I don't know about anyone else, but I expect my MP to stand up for his constituents by making sure they have access to the best possible public services. It's bizarre that an MP should be actively seeking to prevent such improvements:-O
I was also amused by Mr Stunnell's description of that busy bus route Hibbert Lane as 'a minor road' :-)

[sooty2]

Miss M writes ' I hope those plans never get to the table', but thankfully we live in a free and democratic society. If an individual or organisation wishes to submit a planning application, it is free to do so.

Now thats what I call stating the obvious!Yawn, Goodnight all!

[Miss Marple]

Miss M writes ' I hope those plans never get to the table', but thankfully we live in a free and democratic society. If an individual or organisation wishes to submit a planning application, it is free to do so.

I could not agree more Dave !  We do live in a free and democratic society and that's why I am free to have an opinion and a right to free speech !  Lol 

[Dave]

Miss M writes ' I hope those plans never get to the table', but thankfully we live in a free and democratic society. If an individual or organisation wishes to submit a planning application, it is free to do so.

[Johnnyboy]

Just sent my details to you on a PM

[Miss Marple]

Johnny Boy Have you got people from you estate to sign the petition we need around 2,000 more signatures.   Can you send me a PM with your contact details.   Cheers. MM

[Johnnyboy]

Our estates ready and waiting  for the call Miss Marple let's get organised and show the councillors and Asda we mean to fight this all the way

[Miss Marple]

What will be your deciding factor Belly !  I hope those plans never get to the table ? Hopefully by then we will have an independent councillor batting for Marple and it's community

[Belly]

Belly... Gatley in Action took Stockport council to Judicial review, against a decision involving I guess a bigger company than asda but if not comparable, in 2001... we won   It can be done and continues to be done across the country with the right specialist legal advice.

Yes it can be done, but it has to be recognised that JR is not an appeal against the principle of a planning decision, but simply a legal 'check' as to whether the correct procedure has been followed in delivering that decision. It can't change a decision, but it can quash it - i.e. tell the authority to run the process again. Unless matters jave fundamentally changed in the interim, it only acts as a delaying tactic. It is therefore most often used by objectors to a scheme.

Miss M - at the moment I'm not sure whether I object to the proposals - ask me again when plans are on the table.

[Lisa Oldham]

Belly... Gatley in Action took Stockport council to Judicial review, against a decision involving I guess a bigger company than asda but if not comparable, in 2001... we won   It can be done and continues to be done across the country with the right specialist legal advice.

[Miss Marple]

Hi Belly if required could you assist MIA Community Group with advice if needed.

  MIA Community Group have been quiet for sometime now as we have said before it's a waiting game.  We will shortly be making our presence known again and will be calling on our old faithful and loyal supporters  to assist us in showing  our commitment against a supermarket on Hibbert Lane  Thank You !

[Belly]

Amazon - I'm a consultant highway engineer / highway planner and therefore am often involved in projects not dissimilar to this. I can't profess to be a planning expert in anyway, but have to have a working knowledge (of sorts) of the planning process in order to keep on top of things.

[amazon]

If it gets to a judicial review put your money on Asda. Judicial Reviews are about who can pay for the best legal team.

Who would you say that would be Stockport Council or Asda?

A JR can only be pursued by a party if they can demonstrate that the Council acted improperly whilst making their planning decision or did not follow set procedure. It is absolutely not about the rights and wrongs of the planning case. In any event, all a JR can do is quosh the original decision and effectively demand that the process be repeated correctly. A JR cannot reverse the decision in itself. All the Council would then need to do is simply repeat the process correctly and make the same decision again. 

Typically a JR would also be lodged post the original Council decision, not after an appeal - as you only have 6 months post the procedural error being known to lodge a JR. You can seek to JR an appeal, but its a fairly pointless process for the reasons set out above - an Inspector is not going to change his original decisions just because the JR proved that he got his paperwork slightly wrong!

IMHO JR would be a fairly pointless approach for a supermarket to follow in the case of the H.L. site anyway, as the Council has already nailed its colours to the mast re: its decision. The only way that a supermarket is going to win is via strength of argument at the planning appeal stage.

Sorry for a very dull and boring post....
                                                      Not dull and boring .whats your job Belly .