How much will you save if a new supermarket comes to Marple?

[Miss Marple]

Flipping heck I have never had an enemy before, well not over a shopping list   . I know more than you will ever know about absolute poverty and I am pleased to say I have not come across this in MARPLE but I stand to be corrected !  By the way  HWL  I thought you told me you enjoyed a debate , so let's not have a bun fight because if I could cut and paste I would be a force to be reckoned with.   Lol lol 

[Duke Fame]

Wow, it seems I have started my own thread 

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 

Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.

I'm persisting because I'm right, you'll find I'm often right.

I challenge you Mr lavish, get your £100 from the bank and do not use your card all week.

pay for your petrol with the cash & shop at the out of town supermarket.

The following week, take £100, leave you car in the drive. Work out your food requirements and go & shop locally, even avoid the co-op because you hate it so much.


I also can't understand how the argument is that you can't afford the co-op whilst you spend such a lot of money on food / household shopping.

I can almost guarantee your £100 will last & leave you with £££ to spare if you do the latter.

[tina]

If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

That is just a ridiculous and pointless post MM.... You can not get a weekly food shop from either the spar or Premier! I go there for bread and milk, because their price is fair, unlike the co-op 2 litre milk cost me £1.64 yesterday, kicked myself at the til because I could of got 2 for £2 at the spar.... but the rest of my shopping I cant get from the spar.

[HWL1973]

If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

Miss Marple, you of all people must take on board what I'm saying. Understand this and you understand the crux of the 'Yes' campaign. Dismiss it and you don't. 'Know your enemy' after all? . . .

[Duke Fame]

3 washes a week, you are very lucky then, I have sons who play football, school uniforms, my work uniform plus our daily clothes too, so do lots of washing a week, I go through a box a week! (10 wash boxes)

You should shop at the Co-op, Surf was only £4 for 54 washes last time so that's 74p for the week.

Without wishing to get into a dialog comparing each and every product across every supermarket in the land, that Surf 50 washes is £9.48 at ASDA and £9.49 at TESCO.

Less than half the price at Co-op.  Bargain !  Bryce would be proud.

http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/search/searchcontainer.jsp?trailSize=1&searchString=surf+50&domainName=Products&headerVersion=v1

http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/search/default.aspx?searchBox=surf%2050

It's very true, Tesco & the like work on loss-leaders. They'll get you in with a few choice offers & a spurious claim that a trolly full of shopping will be cheaper at their store. Get down to the other items in the shop, you'll pay through the nose. I can't understand why people think it's difficult to buy at the independent shops. Marple precinct has to be a shorter walk from top to bottom than the big Tesco near the M60.

I shop on a Saturday before opening the wife's shop. Greengrocers, butchers, fishman, Iceland, bakers & hollins & can get it all in around 25 mins.

[Miss Marple]

If people don't like the coop why are you using it, why don't you shop at Spar or Premier for basics like a lot of people do    Check out New Shop at Rosehill post and you will see people shop at Premier to save money

[HWL1973]

Wow, it seems I have started my own thread 

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 

Do you really want to persist with this approach? Why then is there such a strength of feeling against the co-op? There are loads of us out there, take a look. Do you think people really take kindly being told what to do in this way? The 'No' campaign needs to get some empathy and quickly. I am giving you and them some good advice here so don't dismiss it flippantly.

[sgk]

3 washes a week, you are very lucky then, I have sons who play football, school uniforms, my work uniform plus our daily clothes too, so do lots of washing a week, I go through a box a week! (10 wash boxes)

You should shop at the Co-op, Surf was only £4 for 54 washes last time so that's 74p for the week.

Without wishing to get into a dialog comparing each and every product across every supermarket in the land, that Surf 50 washes is £9.48 at ASDA and £9.49 at TESCO.

Less than half the price at Co-op.  Bargain !  Bryce would be proud.

http://groceries.asda.com/asda-estore/search/searchcontainer.jsp?trailSize=1&searchString=surf+50&domainName=Products&headerVersion=v1

http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/search/default.aspx?searchBox=surf%2050

[Duke Fame]

Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

This real world of yours only seems to exist in your mind.

Your family of 5, Ok it's your lifestyle choice to have a big family so, typical days food:

breakfast:
5 servings bran flakes = £0.32 p
Grapefruit, Kiwi, nectarines & orange fruit salad (made it myself yesterday) 5 servings £0.80
5 x Tea = £0.10 p
Milk used £0.10p
5 x toast & spread - £0.30p

Washing powder used £0.08

Snack - 5 x oranges / bananas = £1.00

Lunch = Sandwiches & filling x 5 = £1.00

Dinner i.e. Beef mince £1.60, onion £0.10, Tomatoes £0.30, herbs £0.10, Pasta £0.40

Daily cost to feed & wash a family £6.20

£43 per week

even saving 20% as you claim, £8.60 is £447.20 a year.

I wouldn't mind betting that whilst people walk to Marple centre, they'd drive to Hibbert Lane superstore giving an additional £2 of petrol / wear & tear. So the saving is now down to £6.60 a week on an unrealistic 20% saving on the co-op v other supermarket.

What if the new supermarket isn't Asda? If it's Tesco, there is possibly no saving at all.

 

[Duke Fame]

3 washes a week, you are very lucky then, I have sons who play football, school uniforms, my work uniform plus our daily clothes too, so do lots of washing a week, I go through a box a week! (10 wash boxes)

You should shop at the Co-op, Surf was only £4 for 54 washes last time so that's 74p for the week.

[HWL1973]

Wow, it seems I have started my own thread  

Nevertheless this is a hugely important topic and one that I think MIA are grossly underestimating as can be seen by some of the comments on this thread and the one it was split away from.

A word of advice then to all the No campaigners, it is at your peril that you downplay this issue and the strength of the anti co-op feeling that is out there. If you want to be inclusive then you need to listen carefully to this and don't dismiss it.

Supermarket shopping is a hugely emotive subject for people with young families. It is kind of a specialist subject of ours. Go to a gathering of parents with young kids and it is often all they talk about. You sometimes think "how did we get to be this boring?" but there you go! This is not just people living on the breadline either, it is a passionate topic of conversation for all of us, rich or poor.

We live in a real world, one where price comparison websites are not reality. Where shopping in the co-op can be a hugely frustrating experience due to the unavailability of the best value goods. Where special offers are often sold out. Where frankly you reach the till and it's £10 - £20 more than you were expecting, even for a smallish shop. After all, how many 'big shops' do you see happening in the co-op (ones with at least one full, large shopping trolley)? Honest answers please.

So when you go onto the Yes to a Supermarket in Marple facebook page and see the level of anger and vitriol directed at the co-op and of the 'snobs' in the MIA dictating how we should be doing our shopping, then don't dismiss us as a bunch of contrarians. Think about how it sadly got to this. We have not made all this up about the co-op - why would we? Think about your own approach to the whole issue and how you could do more to listen to these important voices. I'm not saying that people with young families all want a new supermarket, but the vast majority of the ones I have talked to certainly do.

Yet these are also the people who have the least headspace to even think about this debate. But they are also the ones who are rearing the future generation of Marple residents. So finally ask yourself this, is it fair that they have less of a voice than those with more of that most precious of commodities - time?

[tina]

I do about three washes a week, £3 bottle of surf 21 washes = 50p

Washing up? 1 squirt a wash
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3 washes a week, you are very lucky then, I have sons who play football, school uniforms, my work uniform plus our daily clothes too, so do lots of washing a week, I go through a box a week! (10 wash boxes)

[Duke Fame]

Terry nappies just a wash
Washing powder 50p a week
Washing liquid 30p
Lifebouy 25p


Are you having a laugh? you must live alone Duke if you only use that much washing powder and washing up liquid?

I do about three washes a week, £3 bottle of surf 21 washes = 50p

Washing up? 1 squirt a wash

[tina]

Terry nappies just a wash
Washing powder 50p a week
Washing liquid 30p
Lifebouy 25p


Are you having a laugh? you must live alone Duke if you only use that much washing powder and washing up liquid?

[Duke Fame]

Inflammatory post overwritten. Admin.

Not sure about that?

I will put it another way £17 a day to feed 5 seems excessive

To feed? To feed, wash, nappy etc . . .

Terry nappies just a wash
Washing powder 50p a week
Washing liquid 30p
Lifebouy 25p