Local election candidates announced

[Carl Rydings]

To say that the LibDems are quoting from some ..."unsourced,spurious,election" is not right - is it?A cursory glance at any reference in search of LAST YEARS Marple South Election results , which we all know the LiBDems won, will inform the following;

TOTAL TURNOUT 4683:
LD, 1948 (42%).
CONS,1493 (32.2%)
LABOUR, 783 (16.7%
UKIP, 380 (8.2)

They are FACTS from last years election - as per leaflet mentioned, what's spurious and unsourced and a cynical lie about that?

That's all true, However the Lib Dem Leaflet just had 3 bars, it had no numbers, percentages or source (unlike the one on the Conservative leaflet).
If you are a resident who doesn't want to go online and find the results, for which you would have to go to Wikipedia because the council website
has some of the data wrong (if you didn't know some of the data was wrong you would think UKIP where 3rd not Labour). I think we have a responsibility
as candidates and parties to show people the figures (as you have done here) and then they can see how their vote can change the outcome this year.

[Duke Fame]

I think the Liberals are trying to show their difference from the Tories because they can see their poll ratings.  Their volte face on the tuitions fee front and complicity in removal of the EMA has alienated them amonst the young people I know. Their personal allowances increases in the disastrous Budget will only benefit those who already pay tax. Those at the bottom of the heap have been treated contemptuously.  Clegg would be quite happy in the Conservative Party but his exit at the next election will probably feature a nice role in Europe.
Their role as a protest-vote recipient is probably over.

Of course the lib dems are not a protest vote now, they are in power. I can't see the disappointment in lib dems as a protest vote from last time. If you are protest voting, the last thing you want is the guys you vote for cozying up to the government in place you are protesting against.

For socialists who protest voting, the obvious place to go would be for the other socialists, the bnp or greens.

[simonesaffron]

To say that the LibDems are quoting from some ..."unsourced,spurious,election" is not right - is it?A cursory glance at any reference in search of LAST YEARS Marple South Election results , which we all know the LiBDems won, will inform the following;

TOTAL TURNOUT 4683:
LD, 1948 (42%).
CONS,1493 (32.2%)
LABOUR, 783 (16.7%
UKIP, 380 (8.2)

They are FACTS from last years election - as per leaflet mentioned, what's spurious and unsourced and a cynical lie about that?

[simonesaffron]

I think that you're right Deniseam with a lot of the things that you say in your posting.

Though, in terms of voting, where does that leave the young people that you speak about. Obviously not LibDem - but who then? Conservative, Labour, Green, UKIP, Monster Raving, anyone else - don't vote?

[marpleleaf]

I am delighted that the debate on the election has got going.

There's a huge cynical lie at the centre of a lot of electioneering. Vote for me, or you'll get the other guy. I fell for it in the Euro elections last year - I voted Green - and yet the awful BNP still got in. I think the Greens are barmy, yet they took comfort from their share of the vote, one of which was cast for entirely negative reasons. Urging a tactical vote is unpleasant. Yet here in Marple the Liberal Democrats are basing their local strategy on it.

Their latest leaflet includes a hideous chart claiming to show a share of the vote in some unsourced, spurious election. In it, there are just three parties - two of which have a share of vote that looks roughly like 45 per cent and 42 per cent. The third, Labour, is portrayed as having what looks like 12.5 per cent. I've had my ruler out, trust me.

What was the election result in this ward last time? 42, 32, 16, with a 4th party, UKIP trailing on 8 per cent. Even if you are generous and claim the graph is attempting to measure the distance between the parties and starts at 8 per cent and upwards, then it is way off. It exaggerates the Conservative support and diminishes Labour. It is based on nothing except appealing to a negative.

So, there are a myriad of reasons why you should vote for any candidate. Supporting the character of that person, their capacity to serve, an endorsement of the programme of that party.

Labour supporters in Marple: if you want to support your party then do so. Don't fall for dismal Liberal Democrat desperation.

In elections you should vote for what you believe in. Here's the thing with the Liberal Democrats round here, especially this candidate - I don't think they believe in anything.

[Deniseam]

Previous post by me was actually by Tonysheldon again - seems he got our log-ins mixed up!

Carry on with your discussion......

[Dave]

Spot on, Denise.  But however shameful that is, it hardly amounts to 'treason'! 

[Deniseam]

I think the Liberals are trying to show their difference from the Tories because they can see their poll ratings.  Their volte face on the tuitions fee front and complicity in removal of the EMA has alienated them amonst the young people I know. Their personal allowances increases in the disastrous Budget will only benefit those who already pay tax. Those at the bottom of the heap have been treated contemptuously.  Clegg would be quite happy in the Conservative Party but his exit at the next election will probably feature a nice role in Europe.
Their role as a protest-vote recipient is probably over.

[Dave]

I could see why, for party survival LibDems joined the coalition, I could not understand the way that they seemed to behave once they were in it. Some of their actions were little short of treason

For example?

[Duke Fame]

Hello tonysheldon,

As I have said before I think that there is a major difference between between National Elections and Local ones'.

I must admit even though I could see why, for party survival LibDems joined the coalition, I could not understand the way that they seemed to behave once they were in it. Some of their actions were little short of treason and could not be justified even for their own survival. This time last year I would have voted for Joe Stalin before I would have voted LibDems.  

However one year one from that they are doing steadily better. I think that they are standing up for themselves and to the Conservatives. It aslo has to be said that they don't have any press support unlike the other two parties.

At the moment I am glad that they are there and very much glad that the Conservatives are not there on their own.So I think that I'll keep an open mind on it until we get closer to the next General Election.
In locals I'll vote for the Candidate irrespective of party.

Si, it wasn't treason at all, what did they do wrong? As I mentioned, Lib dems are a broad church, David Laws was preaching light touch governemtn and liberal economics long before the election. It's a reflection on the voter if they thought they were getting a left wing party.

Just a little question Si, can I ask if you are completely unconnected to any candidates or are you perhaps someone who is helping / offering help to a certain Labour Candidate's campaign

[Duke Fame]

I'm sure there are many more Labour supporters like myself in Marple who have voted tactically to keep the greater of the two evils out, though its hard to tell the difference between the Libs and the Tories since the Coalition was formed.  I for one will never vote Liberal ever again after their duplicity at national level.

Not sure of the duplicity. The Lib Dems can only deal with the hand they are dealt. They didn't have hte budget to do the 'nice' things that they'd have liked. The Lib dems are a broad church, they may have social democrats but they are also liberals and a liberal economy is at the heart of things that the likes of David Laws preached before the election and within governement.

If you vote Lib Dems because you want Labour, don't be surprised if you end up with Lib Dems.

[simonesaffron]

Hello tonysheldon,

As I have said before I think that there is a major difference between between National Elections and Local ones'.

I must admit even though I could see why, for party survival LibDems joined the coalition, I could not understand the way that they seemed to behave once they were in it. Some of their actions were little short of treason and could not be justified even for their own survival. This time last year I would have voted for Joe Stalin before I would have voted LibDems. 

However one year one from that they are doing steadily better. I think that they are standing up for themselves and to the Conservatives. It aslo has to be said that they don't have any press support unlike the other two parties.

At the moment I am glad that they are there and very much glad that the Conservatives are not there on their own.So I think that I'll keep an open mind on it until we get closer to the next General Election.
In locals I'll vote for the Candidate irrespective of party.

[Duke Fame]

I do write my own Election Address and all my leaflets. However, it has to be checked by my
Election Agent first as he is responsibly for what I put out - every candidate has to do this.

Carl, when you say every candidate do you mean EVERY candidate or just every Conservative Candidate?

If you stand under a party banner, be that BNP, Respect, Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative or UKIP - you have to pass your paraphonalia through the party, essntially you are using their headed paper, what you publish will reflect on that party. Independents can of course do as they wish.

Just a little question Simon, can I ask if you are completely unconnected to any candidates or are you perhaps someone who is helping / offering help to a certain Labour Candidate's campaign?

[simonesaffron]

I do write my own Election Address and all my leaflets. However, it has to be checked by my
Election Agent first as he is responsibly for what I put out - every candidate has to do this.

Carl, when you say every candidate do you mean EVERY candidate or just every Conservative Candidate?

[simonesaffron]

I agree with you there tony .certanly won't be voting for chandler .caused a lot of problems at the not to far from you cricket club .

What problems are these?