Chadwick Street / Trinity Street Development Announced

[rsh]

Thanks for the larger images Admin. It's a clever design indeed and would definitely smarten up Trinity St, perhaps creating more of a shopping circuit as people walk up Market St and then back via Trinity St. There looks to be about 40 extra parking spaces (138-ish) than present (98), so new supermarket customers using up spaces shouldn't cause too much trouble.

Sorry if I've missed it, but is there any clue as to the actual square footage of this proposal? Especially compared to the Co-op or ASDA. It looks almost Co-op sized to me which is a surprise, but I should have known they'd absolutely maximise retail space.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Kirkland Developments were the developer. I'm thinking that the plan is for Kirkland to obtain planning permission and build a supermarket, and then sell or let to a retailer. In which case these artists impressions will form part of the planning proposal.

I think you're right, though the supermarket being the sole tenant here would probably have to be signed before they broke ground. The plans have probably been drawn up with a particular retailer in mind (it seems to have all the regular design features of a new Waitrose to me), either with them already interested or with the hope of wooing them?

[Harry]

Let's not forget these are not plans just's artist's impressions to enable Kirkland to attract a developer and more than likely will have no relationship to the plans that that developer eventually puts in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Kirkland Developments were the developer. I'm thinking that the plan is for Kirkland to obtain planning permission and build a supermarket, and then sell or let to a retailer. In which case these artists impressions will form part of the planning proposal.

[wheels]

As promised, here are some larger images - these are ‘for illustrative purposes’ only. I've reduced them down from the full size images sent to preserve my bandwidth.

They are shown at 600 pixels wide below but if you click the links underneath you will see 1000 pixel wide versions.

www.marple-uk.com/chadwick-st-01.jpg


www.marple-uk.com/chadwick-st-02.jpg

Like it or not, it's a clever bit of design and I'm impressed at how quickly they've moved Harry's trees on Chapel Fields!

Let's not forget these are not plans just's artist's impressions to enable Kirkland to attract a developer and more than likely will have no relationship to the plans that that developer eventually puts in.

[Victor M]

I like the idea of the patio area behind The Bulls Head!!!

[admin]

As promised, here are some larger images - these are ‘for illustrative purposes’ only. I've reduced them down from the full size images sent to preserve my bandwidth.

They are shown at 600 pixels wide below but if you click the links underneath you will see 1000 pixel wide versions.

www.marple-uk.com/chadwick-st-01.jpg


www.marple-uk.com/chadwick-st-02.jpg

Like it or not, it's a clever bit of design and I'm impressed at how quickly they've moved Harry's trees on Chapel Fields!

[Harry]

it is not only the sorting office that would go but also the 4 houses next to it on chapelfields.

The four houses on Chapelfields are clearly shown on the artist's impression as still being there. But why they have trees planted outside their front doors is anybody's guess. Perhaps the artist just went overboard with the trees. I see the fish van (or whatever its called now its not a van) has become a tree.

[red666bear]

I've received some hi-res copies of the artistic impressions from the developer today - I'll put them on-line this evening.

hazel grove sorting office closed and now residents of hazel grove have to go to green lane not far from the pyramid. it is not only the sorting office that would go but also the 4 houses next to it on chapelfields. why is no one asking where the sorting office would be relocated? goyt mill? chadwick industrial estate? stockport?

[admin]

I've received some hi-res copies of the artistic impressions from the developer today - I'll put them on-line this evening.

[rsh]

Here's an artist's impression of the proposed Chadwick car park store published in the Stockport Express:

Impressive. Much bigger than I expected and even though I had questioned digging out the land to put the entire car park on top level with Chadwick St, I never thought a developer would go to that length in Marple. That investment and the general design of the building says Waitrose to me. Aldi doesn't spend money like that on bespoke-designed stores, it has a standard box and surface parking.

This could be a great boon for Marple, at least if it can weather itself through the temporary loss of the whole car park during construction...

[Duke Fame]

your 'edge of centre' definition is what most would call , 'a lie' 

It's not my definition, it's the government's definition, as set out in the Planning Portal (click the link which I provided for you.).  The measurement is from the boundary of the district centre, as shown in red on this map.  http://www.marplepartnership.org.uk/map.htm  The supermarket site is well within the 300 metres which define it as 'edge of centre'.

I object to being called a liar, but I guess an apology is too much to expect.   

i appologise for calling you a liar. I'd have thought that definition must take into consideration the size of the town.

[Dave]

your 'edge of centre' definition is what most would call , 'a lie' 

It's not my definition, it's the government's definition, as set out in the Planning Portal (click the link which I provided for you.).  The measurement is from the boundary of the district centre, as shown in red on this map.  http://www.marplepartnership.org.uk/map.htm  The supermarket site is well within the 300 metres which define it as 'edge of centre'.

I object to being called a liar, but I guess an apology is too much to expect.   

[Belly]

Dave, I'd not play with you at archery if you reckon the college is 'edge-of-centre'.

Definition of Edge of Centre: 'For retail purposes, a location that is well connected and up to 300 metres from the primary shopping area.'   Source:  http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/general/glossaryandlinks/glossary/e

Pushing it there Dave, the primary shopping area isn't 300mtrs in linear distance in any direction so surely it's relative to the size. The fact you have around 200 private dwellings between the two sites would suggest your 'edge of centre' definition is what most would call , 'a lie' 

Or in fact 33 dwellings on Hibbert Lane (taking into account both sides of the road) from the juncton of Edwards  Way (i.e. past the front door of Asda) to Littlewoods the butchers (well within what is designated in planning terms as the town centre). Hibbert Lane being the main (indeed only) pedestrian desire line between the ASDA site and town centre.

I don't believe its Dave's definition anyway.

[Duke Fame]

Dave, I'd not play with you at archery if you reckon the college is 'edge-of-centre'.

Definition of Edge of Centre: 'For retail purposes, a location that is well connected and up to 300 metres from the primary shopping area.'   Source:  http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/general/glossaryandlinks/glossary/e

Pushing it there Dave, the primary shopping area isn't 300mtrs in linear distance in any direction so surely it's relative to the size. The fact you have around 200 private dwellings between the two sites would suggest your 'edge of centre' definition is what most would call , 'a lie' 

[Victor M]

Definition of Edge of Centre: 'For retail purposes, a location that is well connected and up to 300 metres from the primary shopping area.'   Source:  http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/general/glossaryandlinks/glossary/e

It all depends on what is the primary shopping area, is it at Littlewoods Butchers or half way down Market Street?

and possible gifting to the council, of public open space,

I have often wondered how you can gift something to someone or some organisation something that they originally owned and was taken off them!

[amazon]

An interesting and much anticipated development. I now look forward to seeing Kirkland’s proposals for the future of further education in Marple, the provision, and possible gifting to the council, of public open space, the provision of good facilities for sports clubs and the community at large, and competitively priced petrol and diesel.

I was also amused by the reference to the Asda project as “out of centre/town” by both Kirkland and MIA, particularly since MIA have previously referred to it as “edge of town” which it appears to be.

They shouldn't have to include educational facilities and sports fields as these will be left intact at the Hibbert Lane Campus.

And improved .