Chadwick Street / Trinity Street Development Announced

[Barbara]

Came past the site where the Dialstone Centre is being demolished and was amazed how large it is.  If this site is scheduled for housing, then Aldi have made a good move as there will be hundreds of people within walking distance of this new store.

[ringi]

Aldi are growing at such a rate that the new store in offerton has had no affect on the hazel grove store.

If you think about the road network rather than just distance then I expect that the catchment area does not overlap much.
As top end of Offerton had no supermarket close by (even worse than Marple), I wonder how much the Aldi is being used for “catch up” shopping by people that do their main shopping elsewhere?

Bluezorro, do you have access to the sale figures for Aldi’s stores?

From what I have seen on the limited times I have been into local Aldi stores there are lot of people not buying match, maybe doing shopping most days – however that may just be the times of day I went in.

[bat man]

Hi,
     could you please let me know were you got the information about a second Aldi in Hazel grove.

[Bluezorro]

Aldi are growing at such a rate that the new store in offerton has had no affect on the hazel grove store.

They are actually going to open a second hazel grove store adjacent to carpet right.

That looks like a cheap conversion, so the cost per sqft of the chadwick st build looks again silly.

[wheels]

Or as amazon so wisely observed:

I shall save this quote Dave and continually remind you and Amazon of it in years to come

[amazon]

Interesting and hardly surprising really.

The Chadwick St scheme has the potential to be a total nightmare for Marple in traffic and parking terms. Something that a few of us have been harping on about for some time and something that was brushed under the carpet during the hullabaloo regarding the other scheme. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

It would be nice to think that the Council might try to look at alternatives on the scheme but I doubt that will happen. Why would it. Unless a campaign gets up.........

What alternatives it will never Hapen there will be another man on the moon first ....

[Belly]

Interesting and hardly surprising really.

The Chadwick St scheme has the potential to be a total nightmare for Marple in traffic and parking terms. Something that a few of us have been harping on about for some time and something that was brushed under the carpet during the hullabaloo regarding the other scheme. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

It would be nice to think that the Council might try to look at alternatives on the scheme but I doubt that will happen. Why would it. Unless a campaign gets up.........

[admin]

Did the civic society object or raise concerns at last years planning stage?

Yes, they raised exactly the same traffic concerns as they are reiterating now (as explained in the text below and on their web site).

[Bluezorro]

Did the civic society object or raise concerns at last years planning stage?

[admin]

Marple Civic Society have reported their concerns about traffic on their web site yesterday:

http://marplecivicsociety.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/chadwick-street-car-park-change-of.html?spref=tw

At a closed session of Marple Area Committee on 5th February 2014 councillors voted to recommend acceptance of a report by the Director for Place Management and Regeneration on the future development of Chadwick Street car park.

The report recommended that the contract with their previously preferred developer, Kirkland Developments, should be terminated and the council proceed with an in-house scheme using their new property partners Carillion:CBRE.  The Civic Society submitted a report to the Area Committee restating its position that it supports the foodstore development as a means of regenerating Marple but has grave concerns regarding the council's traffic scheme and calls for an independent study. See here for our report. The Director's report came before the Council Executive the following week for final approval and was approved. See here for minutes of the Council Executive meeting (Item 18).

We have two serious concerns:

• an in-house scheme removes commercial pressure and therefore could delay the start date of the development.
• there will be no requirement to resubmit a new planning application.  This means that the council's traffic scheme, which will create a 'ring road' effect around the new store and precinct, has planning permission to go ahead.

Would you like to see this space used for an extra lane of traffic?

The Director's report states that the development "is strongly supported by the local community".  This may well be the case for the foodstore but the traffic scheme was NOT part of the Kirkland consultation. Therefore, the community has NOT been consulted on the widening of Stockport Road at the Hollins Lane junction (including pedestrian island and two stage crossing) or traffic lights to replace the roundabout at Littlewoods butchers. Indeed residents consulted by the Civic Society, many of whom attended the Kirland consultation, were not aware of the traffic proposals.

Following the Area Committee meeting, chair of committee Cllr. Candler wrote to the Civic Society in response to our submission.  He said that our report would be minuted, that the Area Committee understood our concerns and that "there may well be a need for a complete review of the highway implications of any revised scheme as we move forward".  

However, the minutes of the Council Executive meeting, where the decision was taken, show that the Civic Society's concerns were not discussed.  Only public pressure now stands in the way of a full implementation of the council's traffic scheme.  

The Civic Society's position remains that we support the provision of a food store on Chadwick Street car park with the condition that an independent urban design exercise is carried out to include meaningful consultation with the local community.

In view of the long term effects the development will have on our town the Civic Society believes that this is not too much to ask.

[simonesaffron]

Or as amazon so wisely observed:

Let's just hope that the Council don't see Amazon's view as a 'wisely observed' or they may just think ...why bother?     

[Dave]

Or as amazon so wisely observed:

It will not hapen were stuck with what we have . The councill will be fafing around for years .. ..

[alstan]

The minutes of the SMBC Executive Committee meeting on 11th February have now been published.

“ 18. CHADWICK STREET, MARPLE (EDR22)
A joint report of the Executive Councillors (Economic Development & Regeneration) and
(Corporate, Customer & Community Services) was submitted (copies of which had been
circulated) informing the Executive Meeting of the submission of a revised offer from
Kirkland Developments Ltd (attached as a Confidential Appendix to the report) for the
purchase of the Chadwick Street Car Park, Marple. The Executive were invited to review
options for progressing the proposed retail development scheme in Marple District Centre.
(Note: this report contains information ‘not for publication’ contained in its appendices that
have been circulated to executive councillors only)
The Leader of the Council (Policy, Reform & Finance) confirmed that the report had been
considered by the Marple Area Committee at its meeting on 5 February 2014 and that they
had supported the proposed approach.
RESOLVED – (1) The revised offer from Kirkland Developments Ltd for the purchase of
Chadwick Street Car Park be declined and that they be reimbursed for appropriate
‘planning’ costs for obtaining planning permission on Chadwick Street in return for the
assignment of any outputs produced by these costs.
(2) That the Corporate Directors for Corporate and Support Services and for Place
Management & Regeneration, in conjunction with the Executive Councillors (Corporate,
Customer & Community Services) and (Economic Development & Regeneration) be
authorised to bring forward the delivery of a retail scheme on Chadwick Street, Marple
utilising the Stockport Strategic Property Partnership.”

[corium]

"..... independent shops go out of business, whether due to high rents, high business rates or as a result of the fundamental migration to internet shopping we are now witnessing?"

I'm sorry to say in a number of cases also due to total indifference to the concept of serving customers, doing what you say you will etc. Not in all cases there are some good shops here, but too many mediocre ones as well

[Barbara]

Do we all believe what the media tell us?